I just figure I must be doing something wrong. Of all maybe 2 people capable of full time commute to an office in my town with a top secret clearance, 10 years experience with Node.js, and a CASP or CISSP I still can’t get invited to an interview for a job where those are the minimum mandatory requirements.
Ask HN: How do you look for jobs in 2023?
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#252Re: Ask HN: How do you look for jobs in 2023?
#253Bit of a tangent, but what has been everyone's experience so far in 2023 trying to find a new job? I got really interested in this and have been passively researching it (HN, reddit posts). My conclusion, so far, is unless you've got strong connections it's hard right now to find a job. Most job posting, as OP mentions get hundreds if not thousands of applications. Other times, I've personally also notice, candidates…
> but what has been everyone's experience so far in 2023 trying to find a new job? I’m done. Not even trying anymore. After a year of bullshit I’m convinced the only reason I ever made it into this field is because that stupid guilder age in the 2010s driven by cheap money, cargo culting, and naive idiocy. Even the non tech companies aren’t hiring much anymore. Seriously I had an easier time finding a job when I was…
I'm done as well. This entire field is toxic garbage.
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#254Earlier quoted context omitted.
I'm in a similar boat. I'm a marketing guy, and have started to regret my career path. I've made it to several final rounds in the past year, but only wound up with rejection at the end—at the final stages, it can be real subtle things that lead them to make that final choice of one candidate vs. another. On top of that, I'm taking care of a toddler full time, since we can't afford a nanny since I got laid off, so I…
Thanks for the arrow, I'll definitely add Otta.com to my rounds. If you're not familiar you could also try Remote Rocketship
Remote Rocketship is paid :(
Re: Ask HN: How do you look for jobs in 2023?
#255Earlier quoted context omitted.
How is this possible? Surely at this point you would have a network to lean on that wouldn’t leave you applying for jobs online? I’m hesitant to believe you don’t have a network and more willing to believe you don’t realize you have that network and maybe even not sure how to use it. I truly don’t mean this to be critical and instead curious: Why would you spend that much time applying for jobs with that type of succ…
I'm sorry but this comment shows an immense amount of social privilege. Most of us don't have networks that can get us jobs. Those are exclusive cliques and it's foolish to assume everyone can lean on nepotism. Also, isn't it a bit scummy to keep someone in your life just in case you need a job?
Privilege? Because I interact with coworkers and keep up with them? Get out of here.
Re: Ask HN: How do you look for jobs in 2023?
#256Bit of a tangent, but what has been everyone's experience so far in 2023 trying to find a new job? I got really interested in this and have been passively researching it (HN, reddit posts). My conclusion, so far, is unless you've got strong connections it's hard right now to find a job. Most job posting, as OP mentions get hundreds if not thousands of applications. Other times, I've personally also notice, candidates…
I put out my resume on Indeed, Monster, maybe AngelList (I forget). Also, over the years, I have kept a list of headhunters that seemed to have both integrity and intelligence (it wasn't a long list). I reached out to them. Half of them weren't valid any more (it's been a while since I was in the market for a new job).
I didn't do any direct applications to companies, as far as I recall - not until they had already reached out to me, either directly or through the recruiter.
Oh, and I was looking for a job where I wanted to move to - over a thousand miles away from where I had contacts. Also, I have nearly four decades of experience (you can look at that as a plus or a minus, depending on how much age discrimination you think is out there).
Result: Found a position where I wanted. It took a few months. I forget which way paid off. It was either Indeed or one of my headhunters.
Sorry that my memory is kind of vague. Between switching jobs and moving cross-country, selling a house and buying another, I had kind of a lot going on, and I've dropped some of the details.
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#257Earlier quoted context omitted.
The 'official' unemployment rate doesn't include people who aren't actively looking within X time. I would not trust the government to accurately report on a statistic that makes it look bad.
There is an official unemployment rate that includes people who are not actively looking within X time. See U-6 unemployment rate: https://www.macrotrends.net/1377/u6-unemployment-rate https://www.bls.gov/cps/definitions.htm >U-6 is the broadest measure of labor underutilization. In addition to the total number of unemployed and all people marginally attached to the labor force, U-6 includes people at work part time…
I've never run across that before.
I think a lot about the 20 percentage points who aren't reflected in the official BOLS' rate. Specifically about the ones who would absolutely work but are daunted by their significant barriers to job entry.
I'm hopeful these charts will reflect at least some of them.
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#258Indeed. Last year I more than doubled my income by applying with the “click to apply” feature on indeed with a 4 sentence long cover letter. Later I had a couple short zoom culture interviews and a take-home project which I sunk 10 hours into and outshined 30 other applicants. Offer in my inbox in less than 7 days. Mind you, this was after a grand total of like 20+ hours of interviews at other companies, with on the…
Survivor bias. It worked for you.
People apply for dozens of jobs, if they had to spend 10 hours on a take home project each, it would add up to hundreds of total hours working on pointless toy projects just for the chance to get a job. That's like working full time for a month or two. Not counting the time spent to get up to that point (finding open job listings, editing resume, submitting application, doing screening interviews, etc.)
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#2591. Personal network of non-recruiter acquaintances. 2. Recruiters (it's popular to hate them but they can help you land a job). 3. Scan the "open jobs" on LinkedIn and apply for them. 4. Post on some big board like Indeed (I set up a junk email account for this because 98% of the replies are junk/low-ball offers).
LinkedIn's easy apply helps mitigate how tedious and soul crushing item three can be. Set up an alert for new jobs that meet your requirements and be consistent. Set a goal of applying for five a day. If you apply to more then great but meet your goal. I'll add each application to a log that has the company, when I applied, the position, and something I found interesting about the posting. Helps remind me in a month…
I'm just one person but in my experience the quality of open positions on LinkedIn has been exactly 0 for quite awhile. I was looking for a job in 2020 and LinkedIn was full of open positions with my skillset. I received almost 0 replies from any of my applications.
Again, this is just my opinion, but I would argue that it's best to spend that time researching companies and their open positions and try to find ways to apply through some alternative channels.
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#260Earlier quoted context omitted.
The wages went up precisely because of the limited supply and years of training needed for devs. You get a really biased view when working in a tech company, but the vast majority of people can't code, and when they try to learn don't get beyond hello world.
> but the vast majority of people can't code, The vast majority of people can't fix their car engine, teach a classroom of kids or cook in a restaurant. Doesn't stop those professions from being 5 figure jobs.
> > but the vast majority of people can't code,
The original quote was: "the vast majority of people can't code, and when they try to learn don't get beyond hello world."
That you chose to cut short the original sentence is quite interesting. Are you sure you can say that it's hard to learn in the fields you mentioned?