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Re: Downloading a video should be “fair use” as recording a song from the radio

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Post by Qwertious »

rocqua wrote: post #182
cookiengineer wrote: post #55

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Youtube is using base64 "encryption" * and the reason the court decided in favor of youtube in the youtube-dl case was exactly this reason. The court thinks that base64 is a legitimate way to establish copyright protection online. Yeah, not kidding you. The lawyers are this stupid. Honestly I think the law is broken, because it is designed by people not capable of doing technological decisions, for technologically re…

It's not just base-64. The 'url' of the next chunk of data is encoded in the data of the previous chunk. (As opposed to just doing a chunked transfer of a bigger file). This feature is only in place for some videos, mostly music videos. This was deemed a 'rolling cipher'. It obviously isn't. Or at best, its a rolling cipher with the key being completely public at all times.

Does this mean a linked list counts as DRM?

Re: Downloading a video should be “fair use” as recording a song from the radio

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Post by CalRobert »

oefnak wrote: post #175
jeffparsons wrote: post #167

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'd love to believe this, but said regulators don't seem particularly energetic these days.

In the EU they are. Soon, chat apps are required to be able to connect to each other, thanks to the EU. Telegram Signal WhatsApp Freedom for the people instead of companies! That's why I prefer the EU over the US.

Wait wait what? can you elaborate?

I'd love to get back to the halcyon days of the late 90's where I could use whatever client I wanted to talk to people.

Re: Downloading a video should be “fair use” as recording a song from the radio

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Post by dspillett »

cookiengineer wrote: post #55
Aaargh20318 wrote: post #52

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> RIAA is alleging that youtube-dl is a copy protection circumvention tool How is it circumventing copy protection? IIRC videos on Youtube aren't DRMed. What protection method do they claim is being circumvented exactly?

Youtube is using base64 "encryption" * and the reason the court decided in favor of youtube in the youtube-dl case was exactly this reason. The court thinks that base64 is a legitimate way to establish copyright protection online. Yeah, not kidding you. The lawyers are this stupid. Honestly I think the law is broken, because it is designed by people not capable of doing technological decisions, for technologically re…

> The court thinks that base64 is a legitimate way to establish copyright protection online.

> Yeah, not kidding you. The lawyers are this stupid.

The system is this stupid. The lawyers are fairly clever to pull off this sort of stuff regularly. You have to be intelligent to be actively evil.

Re: Downloading a video should be “fair use” as recording a song from the radio

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Post by justinclift »

Pannoniae wrote: post #121
boopmaster wrote: post #112

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I have music playlists turned to swiss cheese on paid streaming music services, and it's for that reason that I've turned to doing the unthinkable: buying mp3s like some kind of devolved luddite.

Soulseek is your friend.

Or maybe Bandcamp (bandcamp.com).

Re: Downloading a video should be “fair use” as recording a song from the radio

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Post by PontifexMinimus »

This reminds me of about 10-12 years ago when a Republican staffer suggested that party's platform should include legalising file sharing, on the grounds that the RIAA and MPAA align Democrat so there's no point in the Republicans kowtowing to them.

At the time it was immediately shot down, but if someone made the same proposal now I suspect it might not be. It would certainly liven US elections up.

Re: Downloading a video should be “fair use” as recording a song from the radio

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Post by RugnirViking »

Canada wrote: post #186
oefnak wrote: post #175

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In the EU they are. Soon, chat apps are required to be able to connect to each other, thanks to the EU. Telegram Signal WhatsApp Freedom for the people instead of companies! That's why I prefer the EU over the US.

This isn't going to happen. It's not a good idea generally. It doesn't bring "freedom for the people" but instead completely undermines it. Such integration would break the security of Signal, rendering its existence moot. Take a few minutes to think about how it would have to be implemented on a technical level.

I'm not sure I understand? all three of those apps are end-to-end encrypted. Surely the recipient's phone has the key to decode and the company does not?

Re: Downloading a video should be “fair use” as recording a song from the radio

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Post by oneeyedpigeon »

Coming from the UK, I was surprised to hear that recording a song from the radio is allowed under 'fair use'. Especially given that I grew up during the time when that was actually relevant, it was drilled into us remorselessly that recording stuff onto tape was basically illegal, even if it was impractical to enforce. It looks as if the law was amended in 2014 to allow for 'private copies', but I think that still excludes copying from the radio, etc.

Re: Downloading a video should be “fair use” as recording a song from the radio

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Post by veave »

RugnirViking wrote: post #197
Canada wrote: post #186

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This isn't going to happen. It's not a good idea generally. It doesn't bring "freedom for the people" but instead completely undermines it. Such integration would break the security of Signal, rendering its existence moot. Take a few minutes to think about how it would have to be implemented on a technical level.

I'm not sure I understand? all three of those apps are end-to-end encrypted. Surely the recipient's phone has the key to decode and the company does not?

Telegram is not end-to-end encrypted.
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