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Re: Today I realized I now trust Microsoft more than Google. What is happening?

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Post by simondotau »

Spooky23 wrote: post #175
bemusedthrow75 wrote: post #67

I love VSCode, I use Google Workspace for my domain, run a Mac and an iPhone (and use iCloud), a Surface Go 2 with Linux (quite workable), I host on all sorts of stuff. Uncritically associating "trust" with a brand is a mistake. Microsoft are no more on the side of the angels than anyone else (and are very clearly on the other side in some of the legal positions they stake out, such as their amicus brief in support o…

You nailed it 100%. Tech people are pretty gullible. Satya has a good PR operation and many people fall for the “wow it’s the new Microsoft”. I negotiate with them. They are way more difficult and hard nosed to deal with than in the Ballmer era. The salespeople work under a sword and while they aren’t Oracle, they are in that path. Trust doesn’t mean much with companies of this scale. You need to understand your cont…

> With Google, their motivations are very clear

When people have said they don’t trust Google, that’s precisely the reason they give. Conversely I trust Microsoft and Apple more because their motivations are also clear, and less in conflict with my interests.

I’ve no doubt that Google, Microsoft, and Apple are all equally horrible when it comes to negotiations behind-the-scenes. I’m sure they abuse KPIs as much as each other. As a customer none of that matters to me.

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Post by tiberious726 »

bmitc wrote: post #209
flamwenco wrote: post #182

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> VS Code has one as far as I am aware uniquely-implemented feature -- remote editing -- which is absolutely invaluable to me as a freelancer with many long-term, infrequently-updated projects. To be that one guy, Emacs has had remote editing (without even needing to install anything on the remote server, unlike vscode) for forever with tramp mode. But other, more accessible/modern editors having it is definitely nic…

Everyone always brings up Emacs with regards to VS Code's remoting features, but I have yet to see anything that supports that it is anywhere close to VS Code. With VS Code, I can develop across Windows, Docker, Linux, Linux running on WSL, and macOS with zero configuration aside from setting up SSH connection configs and installing the remote extensions with a button click. All the extensions work seemlessly when re…

To also be that one guy, emacs has had this with the ssh method in TRAMP basically since ssh existed. (Not the devcontainer stuff, it has something similar, but it wasn't till LXC/Docker got popular that emacs could do it that way. At least on Linux) I agree, it's amazing and great that more people are finally using this methodology, but certainly not new to VSCode

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Post by jebarker »

bmitc wrote: post #209
flamwenco wrote: post #182

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> VS Code has one as far as I am aware uniquely-implemented feature -- remote editing -- which is absolutely invaluable to me as a freelancer with many long-term, infrequently-updated projects. To be that one guy, Emacs has had remote editing (without even needing to install anything on the remote server, unlike vscode) for forever with tramp mode. But other, more accessible/modern editors having it is definitely nic…

Everyone always brings up Emacs with regards to VS Code's remoting features, but I have yet to see anything that supports that it is anywhere close to VS Code. With VS Code, I can develop across Windows, Docker, Linux, Linux running on WSL, and macOS with zero configuration aside from setting up SSH connection configs and installing the remote extensions with a button click. All the extensions work seemlessly when re…

Even if emacs can handle the remote editing side I doubt the remote debugging experience comes close to what vscode can offer with very little effort.

I do all my development on remote supercomputers and the ability to remotely debug multi-process Python and C++ applications running inside containers across many servers made me love vscode.

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Post by barbariangrunge »

throw__away7391 wrote: post #5

I generally avoid Google products, but I do not understand the animosity towards YouTube, nor why anyone would not just pay the very small fee for YouTube Premium and do away with all the ads. The content being created for YouTube is fantastic, you can easily watch news from all over the world, conference talks, lectures, interviews, in-depth documentaries and deep dive analysis that blows away anything you'll ever s…

Google bought YouTube, kept it low ads, and ran everyone else on the internet out of business. People would watch hunt you if you said they would ever add a lot of ads, but then they saturated it with ads. That is a globally-scale, economy transforming bait and switch move to gain a near monopoly on online videos. So: some people are mad

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Post by DANmode »

bbkane wrote: post #22
throw__away7391 wrote: post #5

I generally avoid Google products, but I do not understand the animosity towards YouTube, nor why anyone would not just pay the very small fee for YouTube Premium and do away with all the ads. The content being created for YouTube is fantastic, you can easily watch news from all over the world, conference talks, lectures, interviews, in-depth documentaries and deep dive analysis that blows away anything you'll ever s…

I'd like to take this paid option, but for some reason the official YouTube app on my Google Pixel is broken - the screen overlay never goes away, I can't see comments on videos, and trying to go to a channel takes me to "An error occurred RETRY" screen. Unfortunately, I don't think Google does any kind of support for their YouTube app on their phones. Casual googling brought me to some forum posts that didn't seem h…

What are your top gripes with NewPipe, for your purposes?

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Post by bitsandboots »

lillecarl wrote: post #64
chaxor wrote: post #43

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Or just simply vi and it's variants? Far better UX

The world disagrees with you [0] 0: https://survey.stackoverflow.co/2023/#section-worked-with-vs...

vim is on there but not emacs? suspicious of the value of this survey.

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Post by accrual »

candiddevmike wrote: post #8

This is a dumb take. They're both equally untrustworthy. VSCode has an insane amount of telemetry turned on, ChatGPT is monitoring everything you type, and GitHub was abused to train a LLM. Microsoft and Google have both shown they would sell your data in a heartbeat to make a quick buck.

> ChatGPT is monitoring everything you type

Any evidence to support this? Or did you mean everything you send which would be completely expected and normal per their terms? I see no IP traffic when typing but not sending data to ChatGPT.

I think you could only do this by caching the characters and mixing them in with later queries, but that behavior should be visible in the client side code.

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Post by fortyseven »

Weeks ago, I was enjoying lunch and good talk with my long time tech buddies. We're all Linux nerds, infosec adjacent, and we've been doing this shit since the early 90s at least.

Before we parted for the evening, I had one question lingering in my head; none of us "trusts" a corporation. We each have a healthy dislike of Apple, Microsoft, and Google. But I had to ask: balls to the wall, if the end of the world was on the line and you absolutely had to pick a corporation to get cozy with, who would you reluctantly bed with?

Each of us had no choice but to go with Apple.

I was surprised as anyone, but the other two had somehow simply grown that much less in our estimation. (I had to agree, and I friggin hate Apple. ;))

Don't forget, we're talking hypothetically here. In reality they can all get stuffed.

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Post by rhaway84773 »

bmitc wrote: post #209
flamwenco wrote: post #182

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> VS Code has one as far as I am aware uniquely-implemented feature -- remote editing -- which is absolutely invaluable to me as a freelancer with many long-term, infrequently-updated projects. To be that one guy, Emacs has had remote editing (without even needing to install anything on the remote server, unlike vscode) for forever with tramp mode. But other, more accessible/modern editors having it is definitely nic…

Everyone always brings up Emacs with regards to VS Code's remoting features, but I have yet to see anything that supports that it is anywhere close to VS Code. With VS Code, I can develop across Windows, Docker, Linux, Linux running on WSL, and macOS with zero configuration aside from setting up SSH connection configs and installing the remote extensions with a button click. All the extensions work seemlessly when re…

Personally zero configuration is not a selling point for me for a professional tool I rely on to do maybe the majority of my work.

I think it’s reasonable to not hold hours or even days of setup and learning against a product I’d use in this fashion. Even a tiny 1% productivity benefit obtained after configuration and learning earns me about 2.5 dev days worth of benefit every year. And if I expect to use the tool for a decade that’s almost a month.

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