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Re: Downloading a video should be “fair use” as recording a song from the radio

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Post by Pannoniae »

boopmaster wrote: post #112
Modified3019 wrote: post #106

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They definitely will be, now that google is looking to more proactively enforce ads. But the biggest danger is that videos and channels can get removed by any, all, or no reason. -Copyright middlemen/parasites -Trolls -Shifts in what’s politically or advertiser acceptable (see: https://www.reddit.com/r/youtube/comments/14ddlng/unalived/ ) -Massive data loss (see myspace) -And especially the capricious whims of the ch…

I have music playlists turned to swiss cheese on paid streaming music services, and it's for that reason that I've turned to doing the unthinkable: buying mp3s like some kind of devolved luddite.

Soulseek is your friend.

Re: Downloading a video should be “fair use” as recording a song from the radio

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Post by kedean »

backtoyoujim wrote: post #78
sillysaurusx wrote: post #73

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Moreover, youtube is in no way connecting the "authority of the copyright owner" with the particular videos on it's site Of course it is. That's the whole point of the three strike system.

Why is there yet another legal framework with basis for legal jurisprudence being a rule from a child's game ?

Rules of three/trinities are incredibly common in human societies, does the choice of naming affect anything very much?

I also feel like it's a bit disingenuous to refer to baseball as a "child's game", when most people know it for the professional variety played by high end athletes.

Re: Downloading a video should be “fair use” as recording a song from the radio

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Post by mdaniel »

yieldcrv wrote: post #110
kmeisthax wrote: post #8

The problem is that whether or not downloading a YouTube video can be fair use, the RIAA is alleging that youtube-dl is a copy protection circumvention tool. 17 USC 1201(a)(2) does not care about your fair use, it only cares about keeping copying tools off the market. To bring this back into the home recording of radio, it'd be as if Congress decided to ban the sale of tape decks that could record radio transmissions…

time to upload the source and compilation instructions on ipfs

a friendly reminder that (a) ipfs is only as alive as there are seeders and (b) seeders ips are public just like bittorrent

There was a recent Cult of the Dead Cow release that claims "encrypt all the things, Tor but for phones" or some such but I haven't studied it to know how much is aspirational https://gitlab.com/veilid/veilid#welcome-to-veilid https://twitter.com/VeilidNetwork https://nitter.net/VeilidNetwork

Re: Downloading a video should be “fair use” as recording a song from the radio

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Post by zarzavat »

userbinator wrote: post #77

There's technically no difference between downloading and streaming, and in fact nearly all of the videos I "download" from YouTube don't get retained after I watch them --- I'm just doing so in order to be able to use alternative software that respects my freedom. Since we're talking about video, I think a better analogy would be using a VCR to record broadcasting, and there was certainly a legal battle over that to…

A VCR is not circumventing anything. It’s more like the DeCSS code required to watch a DVD in VLC.

The solution is to host the software in a country that doesn’t have laws against distributing circumvention code, this is how VLC does it. If you host on GitHub then you’re at the mercy of US law.

Re: Downloading a video should be “fair use” as recording a song from the radio

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Post by yieldcrv »

mdaniel wrote: post #123
yieldcrv wrote: post #110

Earlier quoted context omitted.

time to upload the source and compilation instructions on ipfs

a friendly reminder that (a) ipfs is only as alive as there are seeders and (b) seeders ips are public just like bittorrent There was a recent Cult of the Dead Cow release that claims "encrypt all the things, Tor but for phones" or some such but I haven't studied it to know how much is aspirational https://gitlab.com/veilid/veilid#welcome-to-veilid https://twitter.com/VeilidNetwork https://nitter.net/VeilidNetwork

yes, but checkout the redundancy that filecoin nodes offer, they basically pin IPFS for free, not intentionally its just turning into a killer app for filecoin

https://web3.storage

competes with the web 2.0 SaaS pinning services like Pinata

Re: Downloading a video should be “fair use” as recording a song from the radio

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Post by ReactiveJelly »

boopmaster wrote: post #112
Modified3019 wrote: post #106

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They definitely will be, now that google is looking to more proactively enforce ads. But the biggest danger is that videos and channels can get removed by any, all, or no reason. -Copyright middlemen/parasites -Trolls -Shifts in what’s politically or advertiser acceptable (see: https://www.reddit.com/r/youtube/comments/14ddlng/unalived/ ) -Massive data loss (see myspace) -And especially the capricious whims of the ch…

I have music playlists turned to swiss cheese on paid streaming music services, and it's for that reason that I've turned to doing the unthinkable: buying mp3s like some kind of devolved luddite.

I still buy CDs from time to time. Sturdier than vinyls, no copy protection, harder to accidentally delete than a downloaded MP3 or Vorbis. So I have a few precious albums that (until the plastic degrades or my home burns?) I'll always have.

Re: Downloading a video should be “fair use” as recording a song from the radio

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Post by fsckboy »

sillysaurusx wrote: post #88
backtoyoujim wrote: post #78

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why is there yet another legal framework with basis for legal jurisprudence being a rule from a child's game ?

The question is whether youtube connects the authority of the copyright owner with particular videos. It obviously does. The copyright owner is the entity that receives ad revenue, and the entity that can strike videos that violates its copyright.

>The copyright owner is the entity that receives ad revenue

to be sure, google receives ad revenue. they redistribute a portion of it, yes, to the copyright holders

Re: Downloading a video should be “fair use” as recording a song from the radio

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Post by jedberg »

It's important to keep a few things in mind:

- When you recorded off the radio, you usually had someone talking over the beginning, end, or both (and this was by design, because the radio station knew that if you had a good copy you wouldn't listen to the radio anymore)

- Your copy was a lot worse quality than what you could otherwise buy

- You could at best distribute it to a few hundred or maybe even 1000 people if you were really well connected.

With videos on YouTube you can:

- Get an unaltered copy

- In exactly the same quality as the original

- Which you can easily redistribute to millions

It's not exactly an equal comparison. An equal comparison would be copying on VHS from analog broadcast TV. Which was also legal.

Re: Downloading a video should be “fair use” as recording a song from the radio

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Post by Macha »

boopmaster wrote: post #112
Modified3019 wrote: post #106

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They definitely will be, now that google is looking to more proactively enforce ads. But the biggest danger is that videos and channels can get removed by any, all, or no reason. -Copyright middlemen/parasites -Trolls -Shifts in what’s politically or advertiser acceptable (see: https://www.reddit.com/r/youtube/comments/14ddlng/unalived/ ) -Massive data loss (see myspace) -And especially the capricious whims of the ch…

I have music playlists turned to swiss cheese on paid streaming music services, and it's for that reason that I've turned to doing the unthinkable: buying mp3s like some kind of devolved luddite.

Yeah, this is also why I returned to downloads from streaming
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