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Re: Ask HN: How do you look for jobs in 2023?

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its_a_random_ac wrote: post #54
ctoth wrote: post #41

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> there are plenty of nice places where the houses are 60K. Citation super needed. Where in the US can I buy a house for $60,000? Does it have a roof?

Spoiler alert: be prepared to spend a ton of money of gas, and hours for driving to any kind of doctor's office beyond a GP. A friend of a friend commuted for 4 hours each day to go to school as a kid because her family lived so far out. I still agree with the general sentiment though. I'm happy with living in a 1br condo and taking public transport, but I had coworkers that "needed" a detached house with a back yard…

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Re: Ask HN: How do you look for jobs in 2023?

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Post by rr808 »

grumpy_coder wrote: post #182
rr808 wrote: post #149

Dev wages have to come down. The last 10 years have been crazy. Lots of devs are paid like doctors, without the limited supply or years of expensive training. It wasn't going to last.

The wages went up precisely because of the limited supply and years of training needed for devs. You get a really biased view when working in a tech company, but the vast majority of people can't code, and when they try to learn don't get beyond hello world.

> but the vast majority of people can't code,

The vast majority of people can't fix their car engine, teach a classroom of kids or cook in a restaurant. Doesn't stop those professions from being 5 figure jobs.

Re: Ask HN: How do you look for jobs in 2023?

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Post by Nurbek-F »

SamPatt wrote: post #130
frfl wrote: post #8

Bit of a tangent, but what has been everyone's experience so far in 2023 trying to find a new job? I got really interested in this and have been passively researching it (HN, reddit posts). My conclusion, so far, is unless you've got strong connections it's hard right now to find a job. Most job posting, as OP mentions get hundreds if not thousands of applications. Other times, I've personally also notice, candidates…

Been looking seriously for ~4 months now, no luck yet. My degree is in political science and I worked at a DC think tank as a research fellow focused on technology policy before leaving to co-found a VC-backed tech startup. After five years it failed. Now it seems difficult to find a place which needs my mix of skills, a combination of communication and technical. I don't know if it's my unusual career path or someth…

I'm in a similar position. Been 3 months. Good luck!

Re: Ask HN: How do you look for jobs in 2023?

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Post by tayo42 »

yu3zhou4 wrote: post #88
tayo42 wrote: post #38

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my job search is miserable. I want to post a well thought out rant about my experience but idk how to do it anonymously without ruining my chances to get a job looking like a dick online. Every part is horrible: recruiters that don't know the industry beyond buzzwords. this is frustrating, they cant think outside their box "oh you havent done exactly this for 10 years, so i guess youll never do it." I dont think peop…

Maybe the salaries are down and there is higher competitiveness between candidates because people are able to work remotely from low cost of living countries? I'd be happy to take fully remote staff eng/tech lead for 140k USD, because in my country I can make half of it for the same position

Maybe on a small scale but I dont think this is the case. A lot of roles are US only even if they are remote. Hiring out side the US when your exec team and related are all US based isn't as easy as just doing it. Language is hard to deal with. There are also issues with taxes following employment for where the hiring is being done that I dont think a lot of companies are going to put with. Companies can also be conservative about security, not everyone is going to want to have their data in a third world country. Also it seems like europe is cracking down on things you can get away with in the US

Re: Ask HN: How do you look for jobs in 2023?

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Post by tayo42 »

frfl wrote: post #50
tayo42 wrote: post #38

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my job search is miserable. I want to post a well thought out rant about my experience but idk how to do it anonymously without ruining my chances to get a job looking like a dick online. Every part is horrible: recruiters that don't know the industry beyond buzzwords. this is frustrating, they cant think outside their box "oh you havent done exactly this for 10 years, so i guess youll never do it." I dont think peop…

It seems to be a culmination of all the worst the hiring process throws at you right now. Your frustrations aren't unique right now unfortunately, as far as I can tell. But at the same time, either to keep up appearances or for whatever other reason, others don't seem to be freely describing the same frustrations. The public perceptions don't seem to reflect this side of reality either -- the job reports and unemploy…

> Your frustrations aren't unique right now unfortunately, as far as I can tell. But at the same time, either to keep up appearances or for whatever other reason, others don't seem to be freely describing the same frustrations.

The only thing that keeps me going pretty much is knowing it isn't just me

I wish more people felt ok to speak out. publicly or online. it doesnt look good to be the person who says I cant find a job. It makes everyone else look at you like there is something wrong

Re: Ask HN: How do you look for jobs in 2023?

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Post by caminante »

joshuamcginnis wrote: post #140
blamazon wrote: post #122

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UPS is only paying experienced drivers (with experience at UPS) those rates, at the entry level it's more in the neighborhood of part time work 20 dollars an hour, which is a common entry level rate in warehousing and logistics these days. Similarly, it's a long road to being a skilled laborer that can pull those large contracts, and even then the margins can be utterly ruthless to small operators. Just seeking to be…

UPS is paying $170K on average per driver this year per renegotiated contracts. True, like any job, you start off on the lower side, but unlike other companies, UPS pay begins going way up after just a year and that doesn't include the incredible amount of overtime available to even new drivers. You don't need to pull in large contracts or even be the business owner of a skilled-trade to do well. Literally every trad…

From my research, $170k is a headline number to make the unions and UPS sound like they're getting and giving a great deal.

The fine print [0] is more like $92k base plus pension, overtime, medical benefits, and other items that have value, but aren't exactly going into UPS driver pockets.

[0] https://www.distractify.com/p/ups-driver-explains-ups-170k-p...

Re: Ask HN: How do you look for jobs in 2023?

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Post by tayo42 »

oldtownroad wrote: post #171
teirce wrote: post #138

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> but should be used to augment technology experience, not replace it. Do you have some specific feedback or bullets that stand out to you? Most of Google tech is all in-house stuff that nobody would recognize, outside of a few open-source counterparts (Blaze -> Bazel). I'm confused how my resume could better convey what I'm good at. I can say I worked with Java, Angular, Typescript, etc. But that's all exceedingly g…

You’re describing work that has no relevance outside of a megacorp like Google which even amongst megacorps is quite unique because it invents technology and can afford to do so. If you look at the type of work being done at “normal” companies you’re applying for, you’ll likely see work that is much more at the coal face and so experience at the coal face is worth much more than work that most people can’t even conce…

> In a competitive hiring environment, you need your resume to tell the person reviewing it why you’re a safe bet. Your resume tells me that if I need someone to build internal full stack web-app automation then you’ve got experience of doing that at Google… which is great except Google is pretty much the only place where that work is required

This is so incredibly dismissive and naive about the work being done. I can't believe you actually think this way. Its almost insulting

These kinds of projects require everything any other project needs. He learned a new tech, was able to identify a real problem then solve the issue with real measureable results. All of this within an organziation where you need to design and plan correctly

all of this is generalizable to almost any software work being done. and important skills for experienced engineers

Re: Ask HN: How do you look for jobs in 2023?

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Post by tayo42 »

the_only_law wrote: post #62
maerF0x0 wrote: post #61

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What feedback or retrospect have you gathered about why you're not making the final rounds?

Lmao do people get that? The only thing I’ve ever gotten after final round lately have been ghosted or a useless generic rejection email. Even when a recruiter is involved, they don’t seem to get that sort of information.

i ask everytime I get rejected, you do sometimes get some info. But i think its almost always useless because the next interview you do will be graded some other random arbitrary standard. sometimes it is helpful though, or if there is a trend.

Re: Ask HN: How do you look for jobs in 2023?

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Post by vluis »

In April last year, I developed a Python scraper that monitors several job sites and boards, and sends new STEM-related job offers to a couple of Telegram channels using a webhook. That way I'm always on top of which companies are hiring in my country, and what they are looking for in terms of positions and technology. I also monitor LinkedIn job offers, but when a new one comes from them, I try to find the original offer on the company site itself, and then add the company's job board to my bot.

I've applied to very few interesting positions and got a couple of interviews, but that's it, haven't changed jobs yet.

In any case, I've definitely noticed that some companies post job offers and conduct interviews just with market research purposes, they probably don't intend to hire anyone in the short term, or at all.

Re: Ask HN: How do you look for jobs in 2023?

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Post by raisedbyninjas »

windowshopping wrote: post #150
mdekkers wrote: post #48

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My plan? I’ll go out on my own terms. I fought my entire life to escape a bad childhood of poverty and homelessness. Not going back.

I don't know how you meant this to read but it sounds to me like you're saying you plan to commit suicide.

Maybe. It could mean a number of things. It could be some creative squatting, moving to a low cost of living nation, or outright stealing. Having nothing to lose opens a lot of possibilities. I just read the story this morning of Nigerian stowaways that survived two weeks clinging to a ship's rudder.
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