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Post by moonchrome »

bee_rider wrote: post #168
zztop44 wrote: post #122

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think that’s mostly my point. GP release source code, presumably under a license that permitted this use. It’s okay to not be happy that it was used this way… but that’s life

It is a new angle of attack that the authors of the code didn’t know was coming. I think it is pretty obvious that lots of GPL authors wouldn’t want their code to be productized in ways that don’t contribute back to the community, because they had the ability to use a BSD or MIT license and didn’t take it.

If you don't want people to learn from your code then don't open source it. Learning via LLM vs person learning is a distinction that sounds unenforceable in practice.

Re: Today I realized I now trust Microsoft more than Google. What is happening?

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Post by jrm4 »

Retric wrote: post #35
jrm4 wrote: post #10

Interesting, I still don't, though I acknowledge perhaps Google has the greater capacity for harm; here's why. Over time, Google absolutely has been in a position to abuse data, and to some extent it has done so -- but honestly, if you compare what they COULD do to what they END UP DOING, they're not doing so bad at all. They mostly self-correct relatively nicely. Microsoft, on the other hand, clearly does the bare m…

What could do with your data to make more money that they aren’t? Sure in theory they could be selling access to anyone’s Gmail account to the highest bidder, but that’s going to lose them money by actively driving their customers away. Google may be actively harmful/evil, but they aren’t stupid.

Yeah, I'm not too concerned with "make more money," but the thing we seem to have to actively beat back every few years is "give Google effective ownership and control of how the web operates" -- something that I think might not be horrible in the short term, but I believe 100% would bite us in the long term.

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Post by araes »

ftlio wrote: post #49

Google search has become nearly unusable, while Microsoft’s core consumer products still seem OK - you can still install Windows 11 without a Live account through a workaround. I can run games on Linux and do work on a Mac. Search is still a problem, but I am increasingly turning to ChatGPT for searching anything non current event, with Bing increasingly. I was a full Google stack, Android, Home, TV, everything, for…

Part of the issue with search, I cannot 'totally' blame on Google. (Note: I blame them some. Made $300,000,000,000 last year. Have 140,000 employees. Their main product is search + ads. There should be an army of programmers working to make the experience relevant / pleasant / not unusable).

However, there's also an army that works to fill every single slightly "wrong" search result with 100's of answers (they're not even necessarily malicious).

I tried to search for HyperPhysics [1] the other day. Yet, for the life of me could not remember the exact name. Hypertextbook, Super Physics, Super Curricula, Super Simple Physics, ect... In some ways its just name collision. Only so many words that mean "hyper, super, awesome" and 10^10 humans that want them.

[1] http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/hbase/index.html

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Post by pb7 »

Saphyel wrote: post #206

If you feel like Google is becoming hard to trust, let me introduce you Apple. If someone ask which company is more evil between the Wagner Group or Apple, I'd choose Apple without thinking.

You are comparing an organization that indiscriminately kills people for hire to a company that makes beloved electronics. You have an extremely, dangerously skewed sense of judgment and should not be taken seriously.

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Post by say_it_as_it_is »

What does it even mean to trust a company? What is it that you trust about them? I trust that they'll fire and replace every single employee with AI when they can. They will grow vast fields of humans, like in the movie The Matrix, to power their AGI, if they will get away with it (they're not really humans because they were grown, not born).

Re: Today I realized I now trust Microsoft more than Google. What is happening?

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Post by bee_rider »

moonchrome wrote: post #211
bee_rider wrote: post #168

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It is a new angle of attack that the authors of the code didn’t know was coming. I think it is pretty obvious that lots of GPL authors wouldn’t want their code to be productized in ways that don’t contribute back to the community, because they had the ability to use a BSD or MIT license and didn’t take it.

If you don't want people to learn from your code then don't open source it. Learning via LLM vs person learning is a distinction that sounds unenforceable in practice.

The stealing open source code is generally extremely difficult to prevent in practice; nobody knows by default if you copy-paste some open source code into a closed code base. But this shouldn’t prevent us from calling out bad behavior when we do see it.

Legally, of course, LLMs are not people. They don’t have the same rights as people, and it isn’t obvious whether or not they can legally generate new IP. They operate by a complicated but essentially mechanical process, and it is pretty novel to say that such a process could be used to remove copyrights.

Re: Today I realized I now trust Microsoft more than Google. What is happening?

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Post by skotobaza »

wiseowise wrote: post #95
whynotminot wrote: post #45

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What’s YouTube supposed to do about that?

YouTube censorship works really well whenever it hears swear words or god forbid you show a bit too much of human body, but apparently 10 to 60 seconds of ad crap is undetectable to them. Demonetize the shit out of the video, on subsequent offense demonetize whole channel.

The whole in-video sponsorship happened because of mass demonetization in the first place.

Re: Today I realized I now trust Microsoft more than Google. What is happening?

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Post by TillE »

bagacrap wrote: post #81
ftlio wrote: post #49

Google search has become nearly unusable, while Microsoft’s core consumer products still seem OK - you can still install Windows 11 without a Live account through a workaround. I can run games on Linux and do work on a Mac. Search is still a problem, but I am increasingly turning to ChatGPT for searching anything non current event, with Bing increasingly. I was a full Google stack, Android, Home, TV, everything, for…

> Google search has become nearly unusable This is a weird meme given how many billions of searches Google handles daily.

Google is fine if you're searching for restaurants or a Wikipedia article. I'm sure they handle the vast majority of their mundane queries well.

It's awful, much worse than it used to be, if you're looking for some specific piece of information. Put a word or phrase in quotes, and it will still just ignore it after the first 3 or 4 results and give you a bunch of irrelevant garbage.

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