‘I've got nothing to hide’ and other misunderstandings of privacy (2007)
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Re: ‘I've got nothing to hide’ and other misunderstandings of privacy (2007)
#2I’m wondering: is there a good list of data privacy failure consequences?
There are good lists of breaches but few describing what happened to the people afterwards. Credit card theft resulting in a loss being the most obvious one.
Such concrete (real) examples would help me to argue with people who say: all this non-sense about data privacy. What would anyone want to do with your data anyways?
Re: ‘I've got nothing to hide’ and other misunderstandings of privacy (2007)
#3I’m wondering: is there a good list of data privacy failure consequences? There are good lists of breaches but few describing what happened to the people afterwards. Credit card theft resulting in a loss being the most obvious one. Such concrete (real) examples would help me to argue with people who say: all this non-sense about data privacy. What would anyone want to do with your data anyways?
> Credit card theft resulting in a loss being the most obvious one.
This seems more like a security than a privacy issue. The data (credit card info) is not shared intentionally, but is leaked due to a security hole.
Re: ‘I've got nothing to hide’ and other misunderstandings of privacy (2007)
#4I’m wondering: is there a good list of data privacy failure consequences? There are good lists of breaches but few describing what happened to the people afterwards. Credit card theft resulting in a loss being the most obvious one. Such concrete (real) examples would help me to argue with people who say: all this non-sense about data privacy. What would anyone want to do with your data anyways?
> Credit card theft resulting in a loss being the most obvious one. This seems more like a security than a privacy issue. The data (credit card info) is not shared intentionally, but is leaked due to a security hole.
There isn't such a tight distinction between security and privacy. Consider the Ashley Madison leak. I don't mean to defend people who violate their SO's trust - that's unconscionable - but clearly this was both a privacy and a security issue, data was stolen and leaked which revealed really intimate information which ruined people's lives.
Re: ‘I've got nothing to hide’ and other misunderstandings of privacy (2007)
#5I’m wondering: is there a good list of data privacy failure consequences? There are good lists of breaches but few describing what happened to the people afterwards. Credit card theft resulting in a loss being the most obvious one. Such concrete (real) examples would help me to argue with people who say: all this non-sense about data privacy. What would anyone want to do with your data anyways?
In mere privacy terms?
- a women start planning to have a child, her employer know that, she got fired before the conception, legally;
- you are someone who know his/shes knows his rights, no jobs for you since you are not easy to exploit;
- you have a certain political opinion, not nice toward the present government? You'll got hard career and all possible "issues", just like getting more traffic red lights than someone else, more police checks causing delays and so on.
The list is long. The point is: we can't design a society like a factory, we can't plan evolution beyond banal things, so we need noise, variability that nobody can master to ensure nothing can last too much impeding further evolution just because someone manage to grab a certain position of power and do want to end the history to remain there forever in a loop. That's why we need privacy, diversity, and so on.
Re: ‘I've got nothing to hide’ and other misunderstandings of privacy (2007)
#6I’m wondering: is there a good list of data privacy failure consequences? There are good lists of breaches but few describing what happened to the people afterwards. Credit card theft resulting in a loss being the most obvious one. Such concrete (real) examples would help me to argue with people who say: all this non-sense about data privacy. What would anyone want to do with your data anyways?
In mere privacy terms? - a women start planning to have a child, her employer know that, she got fired before the conception, legally; - you are someone who know his/shes knows his rights, no jobs for you since you are not easy to exploit; - you have a certain political opinion, not nice toward the present government? You'll got hard career and all possible "issues", just like getting more traffic red lights than som…
Thanks.
I was looking for real cases. Theory won't convince the nay-sayers
Re: ‘I've got nothing to hide’ and other misunderstandings of privacy (2007)
#7Unless we’re talking about financial privacy, in which case many alleged privacy supporters will curiously switch sides and defend KYC, transaction tracking and other ways of controlling other people’s wallets.
Re: ‘I've got nothing to hide’ and other misunderstandings of privacy (2007)
#8I’m wondering: is there a good list of data privacy failure consequences? There are good lists of breaches but few describing what happened to the people afterwards. Credit card theft resulting in a loss being the most obvious one. Such concrete (real) examples would help me to argue with people who say: all this non-sense about data privacy. What would anyone want to do with your data anyways?
> Credit card theft resulting in a loss being the most obvious one. This seems more like a security than a privacy issue. The data (credit card info) is not shared intentionally, but is leaked due to a security hole.
Credit card issues, and many other forms of fraud, can result from identity theft which is both a security and privacy issue.
Re: ‘I've got nothing to hide’ and other misunderstandings of privacy (2007)
#9Unless we’re talking about financial privacy, in which case many alleged privacy supporters will curiously switch sides and defend KYC, transaction tracking and other ways of controlling other people’s wallets.
I don't defend KYC.
Re: ‘I've got nothing to hide’ and other misunderstandings of privacy (2007)
#10The problem with the "I've got nothing to hide" argument is it's not "you" who decides what is "right" or "wrong". The entity doing the "spying" determines what is right or wrong. "You" might think "x" is ok, however the "spying" entity may have the opposite view. And it is the "spying" entity's opinion that matters, not yours, because it always them that have the power and authority in determining what is "right" or "wrong". Moreover, definitions change on what is "right" or "wrong".