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US inflation means families are spending $709 more per month than two years ago

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Re: US inflation means families are spending $709 more per month than two years ago

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wages have gone up too

Not nearly as much as inflation. Groceries alone are up something like 40% in the last 2-3 years. Your and everyone else's wages have not risen that fast on the whole.

Groceries are for many a tiny part of their expenses, and other things they buy are not up as much.

Calculating inflation is difficult for the above reason.

Re: US inflation means families are spending $709 more per month than two years ago

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post #21

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I live alone and just realized I’ve been spending $1300/month this year on groceries. For one person.

325/week ?? You live in a big city? We spend that for a family of 5 but we don’t buy a lot of snacks….

Groceries? That seems insane. I rarely eat out when I'm not traveling and I would be surprised if I spent a third that when I was home and don't especially go for cheap food.

Re: US inflation means families are spending $709 more per month than two years ago

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As a parent with kids, I really don't know how folks are getting by with the prices of everything. I know folks who keep eating out, buying new vehicles, and even building new houses and I'm left scratching my head wondering how they afford all of this. I'm not saving nearly as much as I was years ago and I think my "lifestyle" has decreased post COVID (few vacations, eating out is a treat, gifts are for birthdays/ho…

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Re: US inflation means families are spending $709 more per month than two years ago

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>IMHO vehicles are huge drivers of debt. There are almost no cars under $30k now, and the average sale price of new cars is pushing up near $50k. This is for bog standard stuff like Hondas and Fords, not luxury cars. I went on toyota.com and a base level corolla is only selling for $22,795. This includes a "Delivery, Processing & Handling" charge of $1,095. If for whatever reason you think that driving a compact car…

Exactly. It’s the SUVs and trucks that are suffering runaway prices. Driving a new Camry or Honda Accord is still doable

I just went to Toyota's site and mid range V6 Camry with a few options like navigation, driving assistance, etc. is over $45k sticker price. If you want a hybrid it's over $50k. For a Camry!

Re: US inflation means families are spending $709 more per month than two years ago

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(this) Inflation is driven by rent seeking. If there were enough housing for everyone to live reasonably close to the jobs they can work there would at least be a check/balance against that destructive economic activity. However be it 'neighborhood character preservation', review processes biased towards failure rather than with clear goals and approval if met, or tax structures that fail to encourage socially beneficial outcomes; too many factors are against new generations (generally) building wealth, including that of social communities where they have stable career paths.

Re: US inflation means families are spending $709 more per month than two years ago

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What I don't understand is this 2% price target. Prices could go up 10% one year, and well call it a success if next year we "tame inflation" by only having our prices go up 2%. Why can't we target to get prices back down? For those on a fixed income, this is money we lost forever. We expect (and see) some prices go down every year (mainly electronics) and it works fine. But god forbid the price of milk goes down a b…

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Re: US inflation means families are spending $709 more per month than two years ago

#57
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What I don't understand is this 2% price target. Prices could go up 10% one year, and well call it a success if next year we "tame inflation" by only having our prices go up 2%. Why can't we target to get prices back down? For those on a fixed income, this is money we lost forever. We expect (and see) some prices go down every year (mainly electronics) and it works fine. But god forbid the price of milk goes down a b…

It’s because that’s called deflation and mainstream economics predicts that it is absolutely catastrophic to the economy, at least if it is seen generally across the whole economy. Obviously, individual goods can decrease in nominal price, but general deflation is thought to lead almost immediately to depressions and recessions.

Re: US inflation means families are spending $709 more per month than two years ago

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Same. I make decent money and used to save thousands per month. Now I'm lucky to stash away high hundreds a month, but any expense like new brakes wipes that out. I wonder how in the world everyone else is getting by. Maybe we're all just smiling and pretending here...

I live alone and just realized I’ve been spending $1300/month this year on groceries. For one person.

We spend less than that for a 4-person household in San Francisco. We buy at Costco, Whole Foods, Trader Joe's, and the Asian markets. I think meat and fruit are our biggest expenses. If we only ate eggs and vegetables, spending would be much lower.

That's for one adult eating 3 meals at home, 2 eating 2 meals at home, and 1 eating 1 meal at home.

Re: US inflation means families are spending $709 more per month than two years ago

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>IMHO vehicles are huge drivers of debt. There are almost no cars under $30k now, and the average sale price of new cars is pushing up near $50k. This is for bog standard stuff like Hondas and Fords, not luxury cars. I went on toyota.com and a base level corolla is only selling for $22,795. This includes a "Delivery, Processing & Handling" charge of $1,095. If for whatever reason you think that driving a compact car…

Goooooooood luck driving off a dealer lot with a $22k Toyota! Seriously, if you can do it then good on you! But back in the real world the on the lot availability of cars is abysmal and most makes are sold out for months of backlog. Like if you want a Toyota minivan it's something like a 2 year wait--unless you are willing to buy one on the lot with a $10k dealer markup.

Toyota is the worst make for this, but yeah. The Corolla quote I got all inclusive was $28K and the Camry quote was $37K so I ended up going with a Tesla 3 for $34K after taxes. Much better in every way but it’s still fucking expensive, especially with insurance

Re: US inflation means families are spending $709 more per month than two years ago

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post #17

What I don't understand is this 2% price target. Prices could go up 10% one year, and well call it a success if next year we "tame inflation" by only having our prices go up 2%. Why can't we target to get prices back down? For those on a fixed income, this is money we lost forever. We expect (and see) some prices go down every year (mainly electronics) and it works fine. But god forbid the price of milk goes down a b…

Governments are afraid of deflation (prices going down) because consumers can go into a holding pattern (stopping spending while waiting for prices to continue to decrease) which can cause the economy to stall out.

Prices drop and people spend less? That's silly.
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