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Re: Downloading a video should be “fair use” as recording a song from the radio

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Post by hiccuphippo »

_Algernon_ wrote: post #5

Considering that many countries take a copying fee -- which is intended to cover lost revenue from exactly this use case -- for cassettes, harddrives and other storage media, yes yes it should. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Private_copying_levy

I'll gladly pay a % of what I pay to download yt-dl

Re: Downloading a video should be “fair use” as recording a song from the radio

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Post by rusk »

kmeisthax wrote: post #8

The problem is that whether or not downloading a YouTube video can be fair use, the RIAA is alleging that youtube-dl is a copy protection circumvention tool. 17 USC 1201(a)(2) does not care about your fair use, it only cares about keeping copying tools off the market. To bring this back into the home recording of radio, it'd be as if Congress decided to ban the sale of tape decks that could record radio transmissions…

This is a DMCA concept that is presumably recongised by various international treaties … but is it widely implemented and enforced?

Re: Downloading a video should be “fair use” as recording a song from the radio

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Post by Buttons840 »

I want a machine learning enhanced analog loop. I want to be able to point a device at a screen and have the machine learning clean everything up and restore high quality sound and video.

Training data would be easy. Take a bunch of videos, play them on a screen, record the screen. You now have the input and the output, x and y. It's just supervised learning from there.

I know there are better options currently, but in the end we have this, unless they take away general purpose computing (but that would a huge blow to our economy).

Re: Downloading a video should be “fair use” as recording a song from the radio

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Post by kstrauser »

deltree7 wrote: post #9

The hypocrisy of download defenders is exposed when re-distribution is the concern. Most content producers and publishers are fine with downloading as long as you don't re-distribute (which is theft), but we have no way of preventing that, so they are forced to close the download gate

That’s historically wrong. The story of DRM is littered with claims that reasonable things like format shifting are immoral and theft.

Also, unauthorized distribution is unauthorized distribution, not theft. Theft has a special legal meaning, and that isn’t it.

Re: Downloading a video should be “fair use” as recording a song from the radio

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Post by actionfromafar »

kmeisthax wrote: post #8

The problem is that whether or not downloading a YouTube video can be fair use, the RIAA is alleging that youtube-dl is a copy protection circumvention tool. 17 USC 1201(a)(2) does not care about your fair use, it only cares about keeping copying tools off the market. To bring this back into the home recording of radio, it'd be as if Congress decided to ban the sale of tape decks that could record radio transmissions…

I wonder if a cassette deck connected to the computer is also a copy protection circumvention tool.

I suppose it is?

Re: Downloading a video should be “fair use” as recording a song from the radio

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Post by ShadowBanThis01 »

deltree7 wrote: post #9

The hypocrisy of download defenders is exposed when re-distribution is the concern. Most content producers and publishers are fine with downloading as long as you don't re-distribute (which is theft), but we have no way of preventing that, so they are forced to close the download gate

You neglected to state what the "hypocrisy" is here. Cite the passage that promotes downloading and redistributing.

Re: Downloading a video should be “fair use” as recording a song from the radio

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Post by nadermx »

kmeisthax wrote: post #8

The problem is that whether or not downloading a YouTube video can be fair use, the RIAA is alleging that youtube-dl is a copy protection circumvention tool. 17 USC 1201(a)(2) does not care about your fair use, it only cares about keeping copying tools off the market. To bring this back into the home recording of radio, it'd be as if Congress decided to ban the sale of tape decks that could record radio transmissions…

Posted this in the other thread, but this thorny topic is up for appeal in the US Second Circuit

https://www.courtlistener.com/docket/66697744/yout-llc-v-rec...

Re: Downloading a video should be “fair use” as recording a song from the radio

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Post by GhostWhisperer »

hiccuphippo wrote: post #11
_Algernon_ wrote: post #5

Considering that many countries take a copying fee -- which is intended to cover lost revenue from exactly this use case -- for cassettes, harddrives and other storage media, yes yes it should. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Private_copying_levy

I'll gladly pay a % of what I pay to download yt-dl

    brew install yt-dlp

    alias vget=yt-dlp
    alias aget='vget --extract-audio --audio-format mp3 --audio-quality 4'

    # https://opencollective.com/homebrew
    # https://github.com/yt-dlp/yt-dlp/blob/master/Collaborators.md#collaborators
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