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Re: Ask HN: How do you look for jobs in 2023?

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Post by IshKebab »

akudha wrote: post #80
gidorah wrote: post #77

I'm a UK accountant, so not IT. But I never apply direct. I always use recruiters. I think the benefits are: - recruiter usually only sends 2/3 resumes to employer, so better candidate-job match - recruiter has relationship with the client, so is more trusted - recruitment is a sales job, so they want a better match. - your first interview is with the recruiter, so less formal. If that goes well, they will make more…

Every recruiter I have interacted with, in the last decade, has been nasty individuals. Changing my resume without my knowledge, stealing my wages (been fighting two years now, to get it back), paying late consistently (we are talking 4-6 months late, on top of net60) and above all - lying about everything, even silly things that don’t make sense and are easy to verify. Maybe it is just my dumb luck that I attract sh…

Sounds like UK recruiters work differently to American ones. I don't understand how they would steal your wages. They don't pay you in the UK.

Re: Ask HN: How do you look for jobs in 2023?

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Post by ecshafer »

alexpotato wrote: post #29
teirce wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Been looking since about February. I've probably sent out at least a hundred apps for positions I was interested in and met qualifications for. I think I've made it to a recruiter screen around ~10 times, and I've had less than 5 actual interviews follow. I have 6+ years in industry, 4 and some change of which were FAANG (which everyone believes is a golden ticket into any company). And I can't even get an interview.…

>which were FAANG (which everyone believes is a golden ticket into any company). In a past job, I saw a LOT of former FAANG candidates as a hiring manager (SRE @ hedge fund) at a past job. In my experience, FAANG folks have a somewhat barbell distribution where it's either: A. "This person is incredibly talented, well spoken and will probably find a job anywhere" B. "This person spent 5 years at a FAANG and worked on…

> I also distinctly remember learning that Google had 100K+ employees. To me, that is moving into "big bank" size territory and it's clearly impossible for EVERYONE who is former Google to be amazing.

Ive worked at 3 places, sizes: I cant even imagine 100k. 100k for Toyota or Walmart, sure, that makes sense. But at tens of thousands of engineers you must have a lot of people not doing anything. Even at 20k, so maybe 5k engineers you only have so many people pushing on new stuff. Most are doing maintenance on crud and batch apps and keeping up with whatever "initiatives" are being pushed while attending meetings.

Most impressive to me imo are the instagram type companies that have 20 employees when they are sold/ipo or whatever.

Re: Ask HN: How do you look for jobs in 2023?

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Post by Madmallard »

convolvatron wrote: post #83
Madmallard wrote: post #69

Tech is a choked industry right now. Pivoting is probably smart if you’re able to do so. If you look on /r/forhire nearly 50% of posts are devs looking for work

It certainly seems that way. But why are there so many postings that don’t get filled given that everyone says they are drowning in applicants?

Companies are being as picky as they can get away with.

Re: Ask HN: How do you look for jobs in 2023?

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Post by CSMastermind »

My data suggests that wages are down about 15% from their peak 2 years ago.

When I see people with 10+ years of experience struggle to get jobs right now it's almost always because they're filtering out good opportunities with their comp expectations.

For more junior folks the market is tough right now. It's going to be a grind but I'd highly encourage you to consider working with a third-party recruiter. You may need to try a few different ones before you find one that can get you placed but a good one will be worth it. All the normal advice applies: leverage your network and debug the problem. Consider where in the process you're dropping off. Are you not hearing back at all? Are you getting interviews but not offers? Work from there.

Re: Ask HN: How do you look for jobs in 2023?

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Post by mdekkers »

darksofa wrote: post #85
mdekkers wrote: post #19

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I’m 53, and I doubt I’ll ever find a job in tech again. I only started getting responses when I removed the earliest 15 year’s experience from my CV, and as soon as I hit the screening stage and my age is known they lose interest. Ageism can get fucked.

Heh, I got a tech job at 56. But ... there is a lot of ageism out there. Which I've never understood.

Well done. I really don’t understand it either. I have close to 30 years experience, and have always stayed relevant in terms of approach, skills, and knowledge.

According to the folks I’ve worked with in the past, I’ve done great work, and I’m still in regular contact with many of them.

Re: Ask HN: How do you look for jobs in 2023?

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Post by master_crab »

ghaff wrote: post #91
alexpotato wrote: post #29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>which were FAANG (which everyone believes is a golden ticket into any company). In a past job, I saw a LOT of former FAANG candidates as a hiring manager (SRE @ hedge fund) at a past job. In my experience, FAANG folks have a somewhat barbell distribution where it's either: A. "This person is incredibly talented, well spoken and will probably find a job anywhere" B. "This person spent 5 years at a FAANG and worked on…

At conferences and the like I've always been super-impressed by the Google folks I've spoke with and listened to. But it's also my understanding that Google doesn't let just anyone "out in the wild" so I assume I'm pretty much seeing one end of the barbell (or probably a smallish slice of it).

Yeah all the FAANGs do this. They won't sponsor their bottom half to go to conferences, much less speak at them.

Re: Ask HN: How do you look for jobs in 2023?

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Post by [deleted] »

base698 wrote: post #90
frfl wrote: post #68

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Your experiences are too similar to what I've seen. I don't think the public preconception has yet to realize this is what reality if looking like for many people rather than the headlines about no-recession, jobs everywhere, low unemployment. I was going to link my other comment, https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=37112093 , but you already read and commented on that. Just try to hold out, it's just absolutely ter…

As someone that skated through 2008 employed, this seems worse to me. I've seen people that are good take a year to get a job. Some even left willingly last year only to faceplant into the current situation.

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Re: Ask HN: How do you look for jobs in 2023?

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Post by convolvatron »

Madmallard wrote: post #103
convolvatron wrote: post #83

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It certainly seems that way. But why are there so many postings that don’t get filled given that everyone says they are drowning in applicants?

Companies are being as picky as they can get away with.

It’s weird seeing the same posting I got rejected for 6 months later. Surely work needs to start sometime?
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