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Today I realized I now trust Microsoft more than Google. What is happening?

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Re: Today I realized I now trust Microsoft more than Google. What is happening?

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Post by bee_rider »

bemusedthrow75 wrote: post #111
duxup wrote: post #96

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> Uncritically Blindly pick one to trust sure that’s a poor choice. But we make choices based on our experience and what information we have. I won’t trust anyone forever blindly, but I will pick some for now over others who I find untrustworthy.

Right -- I mean if I was compelled by some weird fascist law to pick one brand to trust, I'd probably pick Apple. The fascists with the nicest things, for one thing, but they have also made commitments to privacy against which they can be measured . But I find it uncomfortable how much brain time we allow for making value judgements about brands -- it's a purely one-way emotional judgement, because as a general rule,…

IMO the fact that the open source folks built those mechanisms indicates they they are inherently more trustworthy. I mean, in many cases the honest party is also the one happy to do things in the open.

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Post by canadiantim »

lillecarl wrote: post #64
chaxor wrote: post #43

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Or just simply vi and it's variants? Far better UX

The world disagrees with you [0] 0: https://survey.stackoverflow.co/2023/#section-worked-with-vs...

That is a shockingly bad website for mobile. Whole screen is taken up by an uncloseable menu, jeez you would think stack overflow could get responsive design right.

Re: Today I realized I now trust Microsoft more than Google. What is happening?

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Post by bemusedthrow75 »

irusensei wrote: post #143
bemusedthrow75 wrote: post #67

I love VSCode, I use Google Workspace for my domain, run a Mac and an iPhone (and use iCloud), a Surface Go 2 with Linux (quite workable), I host on all sorts of stuff. Uncritically associating "trust" with a brand is a mistake. Microsoft are no more on the side of the angels than anyone else (and are very clearly on the other side in some of the legal positions they stake out, such as their amicus brief in support o…

I can’t force myself to like vscode. I need to code right? So I need 1-to be able to write text, 2-syntax highlighting. VSCode is an absolute mess of unnecessary plugins and popup that reminds me of an internet explorer 6 with too many web bars and a bonzi buddy dancing at the bottom of the screen. I also dislike Chrome and any chrome based reskin. I appreciate Firefox and even Safari. Specially Safari for the same r…

You can turn off a load of stuff. You don't have to install any plugins.

VS Code has one as far as I am aware uniquely-implemented feature -- remote editing -- which is absolutely invaluable to me as a freelancer with many long-term, infrequently-updated projects.

Lots of separate VM dev environments with different editor configuration and tool requirements, and more or less only SSH config and keys to connect me to them, from whichever machine I need to.

It's the only Microsoft thing I use at the moment. I don't even have a github account.

Re: Today I realized I now trust Microsoft more than Google. What is happening?

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Post by lvass »

zztop44 wrote: post #122
robertlagrant wrote: post #112

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No, the licence is the thing that defines what they'd be fine with. I don't think it's possible to write a licence that allows you to do things with the software that the licence forbids.

I think that’s mostly my point. GP release source code, presumably under a license that permitted this use. It’s okay to not be happy that it was used this way… but that’s life

No license except CC0/unlicense permits laundering authorship like Copilot does.

Re: Today I realized I now trust Microsoft more than Google. What is happening?

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Post by rado »

throw__away7391 wrote: post #5

I generally avoid Google products, but I do not understand the animosity towards YouTube, nor why anyone would not just pay the very small fee for YouTube Premium and do away with all the ads. The content being created for YouTube is fantastic, you can easily watch news from all over the world, conference talks, lectures, interviews, in-depth documentaries and deep dive analysis that blows away anything you'll ever s…

YouTube Premium supplanted traditional media a long time ago. Considering it includes Music, it's my favourite subscription too.

Re: Today I realized I now trust Microsoft more than Google. What is happening?

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Post by bee_rider »

zztop44 wrote: post #122
robertlagrant wrote: post #112

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No, the licence is the thing that defines what they'd be fine with. I don't think it's possible to write a licence that allows you to do things with the software that the licence forbids.

I think that’s mostly my point. GP release source code, presumably under a license that permitted this use. It’s okay to not be happy that it was used this way… but that’s life

It is a new angle of attack that the authors of the code didn’t know was coming.

I think it is pretty obvious that lots of GPL authors wouldn’t want their code to be productized in ways that don’t contribute back to the community, because they had the ability to use a BSD or MIT license and didn’t take it.

Re: Today I realized I now trust Microsoft more than Google. What is happening?

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Post by bemusedthrow75 »

bee_rider wrote: post #161
bemusedthrow75 wrote: post #111

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Right -- I mean if I was compelled by some weird fascist law to pick one brand to trust, I'd probably pick Apple. The fascists with the nicest things, for one thing, but they have also made commitments to privacy against which they can be measured . But I find it uncomfortable how much brain time we allow for making value judgements about brands -- it's a purely one-way emotional judgement, because as a general rule,…

IMO the fact that the open source folks built those mechanisms indicates they they are inherently more trustworthy. I mean, in many cases the honest party is also the one happy to do things in the open.

> I mean, in many cases the honest party is also the one happy to do things in the open.

This may be true, but there are longstanding figures in open source who I would not trust as far as I could spit.

It's a mistake to see the openness of open source or open access as a guide to trusting the people who produced it. Dual_EC_DRBG is a good example of why.

Re: Today I realized I now trust Microsoft more than Google. What is happening?

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Post by nologic01 »

Binary choices are better than no choices but chasing the 'least bad' option is really a sad state.

Forcing interoperability, applying anti-trust, outlawing agressive adtech etc. are perfectly valid steps and would help create a large amount of competition and choice around technology. In such a scenario there would be also more opportunity for open source business models.

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