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The elite's war on remote work has nothing to do with productivity

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Re: The elite's war on remote work has nothing to do with productivity

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post #29

The "elites"? That's a funny term for people who own commercial real estate.

> The “elites”? That’s a funny term for people who own commercial real estate You think commercial real estate isn’t disproportionately owned, directly or indirectly, by the narrow haut bourgeoisie ?

Where did I express any distaste for actually descriptive terms like "bourgeoisie"? Only on the Internet is purposefully misconstruing someone's statement seen as a valid method of communication.

Re: The elite's war on remote work has nothing to do with productivity

#92
post #18

I’ve been called back to the office a few days a week now. It took 4 trips back to realize the things I dealt guilty about while working remote were non issues. Saw 4 managers literally walking by their employees desks watching them work. To add insult to injury, there were 4 managers for 12 employees doing this.

Agents of oppression will ply false generosity with their precious attention and then castigate you for needing it.

Manager with be seen as the slur that it should in 50 years.

Re: The elite's war on remote work has nothing to do with productivity

#93

I don’t really buy the argument. If commercial RE crashes, that means what, people take a 20% haircut on converting the buildings to condos and/or just selling for the value of the land? We are still seeing unprecedented housing shortages, which puts a pretty high floor on how much l “downtown” land values will crash.

Office space is very expensive to convert to residential, you have large rectangle with windows on the perimeter only, weird elevator/stair layout, insufficient plumbing for many individual bathrooms, and poor ventilation for kitchens.

Furthermore, I'm skeptical that if commercial real estate crashes (because far fewer people are working in cities) that there will be continued demand to live in those cities. There seems to be an underlying assumption that the only reason people wouldn't want to live in a city is the cost--and that's not true for a lot of folks.

Re: The elite's war on remote work has nothing to do with productivity

#95
post #60

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I have no proof but i would think share holder power?

Google has full control by Brin and Page and still has RTO. This theory doesn't hold water.

Google has tons of office real estate that's assigned a certain value on balance sheets. If that tanks, the C-suite compensation plans and (slight conjecture here) the value of Brin's & Page's stock-secured liquidity will take a hit.

Re: The elite's war on remote work has nothing to do with productivity

#96
post #7

If your job can be done remote, it can be done offshore for 1/10 the cost.

The internet has been around for decades; we used to call this practice "offshoring". Yet jobs are still here because not all workers are not fungible, and transaction costs are involved. That said I do believe companies are more geographically concentrated than they need to be.

Re: The elite's war on remote work has nothing to do with productivity

#97

This isn't particularly well-argued. Just a lot of handwavy grievance about "elites" as though there's some kind of coordinated conspiracy.

Kind of an "Ugh, Capitalism" take - https://www.infinitescroll.us/p/ugh-capitalism

Re: The elite's war on remote work has nothing to do with productivity

#98

This isn't particularly well-argued. Just a lot of handwavy grievance about "elites" as though there's some kind of coordinated conspiracy.

A the top end there is a lot of coordination, big money conservatives get together at CPAC and other venues to make plans, each political party is a powerful coordinated force of elites, they are all on each other's boards, etc. However this article did not present any evidence of any given group of elites doing this, for this reason, so...

Yeah I don't generally disagree, but the coordination usually has a more specific goal with more specific actions. Like, let's spend a bunch of money to buy ads supporting some legislation so that we can get lower taxes.

Let's use our influence over corporate decision making to try to get people to use buildings in order to prop up commercial real estate asset prices feels like a bank-shot at best.

Re: The elite's war on remote work has nothing to do with productivity

#99

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Unions.

>Unions. From my recent experience, unions can't help you keep remote work they way they work here today. I work(ed) at a unionized German company and when management call everyone back to the office after the Covid vaccination was done, it wasn't protested by the unions and everyone sowed up at the office without protest, and remote work was kept as "in case of emergency" perk you can get every now and then if you g…

They can if they care; New York City’s municipal employee union negotiated just that. https://www.nytimes.com/2023/02/17/nyregion/adams-remote-wor...

Re: The elite's war on remote work has nothing to do with productivity

#100
post #7

If your job can be done remote, it can be done offshore for 1/10 the cost.

The office already doesn't matter when it comes to offshoring. Companies are rarely in the same office already, and are spread across the US. Even if a team is co-located, their stakeholders aren't.

Further, timezone-friendly offshoring is about 70-80% of the cost and comes with larger organizational complexity. Good (not mythical 10x, mind you - I mean good by standard definitions) developers are expensive no matter where they live.

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