It's unfortunate that "conspiracy theory" has taken on an indisputably negative connotation now. Conspiracies do occur, theories about them form. More often, people and entities behave in concert without conspiring per se , and this could be because of aligned goals or beliefs, or simply regulations that cause corporations to do the same sort of thing, especially when they keep an eye on one another. For example, is…
People Drawn to Conspiracy Theories Share Psychological Features (2019)
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#23It's unfortunate that "conspiracy theory" has taken on an indisputably negative connotation now. Conspiracies do occur, theories about them form. More often, people and entities behave in concert without conspiring per se , and this could be because of aligned goals or beliefs, or simply regulations that cause corporations to do the same sort of thing, especially when they keep an eye on one another. For example, is…
That is the point. It's meant to diminish, discredit, and discriminate. It's a conspiracy theory until it's not. People used to wonder why Iphones got slow overtime and then Apple admits to slowing their phones down albeit for other eXcuses.
It does not fit with the other narrative that phones slow down over time, or with the release of a new OS. People love to misunderstand it though.
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Conspiracy theorists are maximalists, so when they take credit for getting something correct they rarely acknowledge how far they overshot.
Did you have a particular example in mind?
A recent example is Epstein. Epstein ingratiated himself to powerful people to preserve his human trafficking operation. Some of those powerful people partook in his sex trade. He may have had connections to intelligence agencies. This was all varying degrees of a conspiracy theory ~five years ago and some people got this right.
But you have to be careful because there's a lot of conspiracy theorists who believe that Epstein's operation was harvesting adrenochrome from children for the benefit of those powerful people. Either as an anti-aging drug or as a satanic ritual, which explains how the powerful people became powerful. Epstein and his associates were/are evil perverts, they're not satanically powered.
The people who manage to avoid the adrenochrome level of theorizing are interesting and may be worth listening to on certain subjects. It's unfortunate that there's not more people in that category. They mostly dodge the label "conspiracy theorist", depending on what they talk about.
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#25It's unfortunate that "conspiracy theory" has taken on an indisputably negative connotation now. Conspiracies do occur, theories about them form. More often, people and entities behave in concert without conspiring per se , and this could be because of aligned goals or beliefs, or simply regulations that cause corporations to do the same sort of thing, especially when they keep an eye on one another. For example, is…
Conspiracy: An agreement to perform together an illegal, wrongful, or subversive act. Insofar as 2 or more people have coordinated, colluded, or planned an illegal, wrongful, or subversive act, a conspiracy is afoot. In fact, almost all significant illegal, wrongful, or subversive acts include conspiracies to commit said acts. I think it is safe to say that the present sociopolitical and socioeconomic landscapes are…
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Conspiracy: An agreement to perform together an illegal, wrongful, or subversive act. Insofar as 2 or more people have coordinated, colluded, or planned an illegal, wrongful, or subversive act, a conspiracy is afoot. In fact, almost all significant illegal, wrongful, or subversive acts include conspiracies to commit said acts. I think it is safe to say that the present sociopolitical and socioeconomic landscapes are…
Yes, there are a lot of conspiracies, but "Three may keep a secret, if two of them are dead;" so if a conspiracy involves enough actors, it is unlikely that it will be kept secret from the public except from some lunatic fringe.
There are multiple tricks employable, one is to keep any single collaborator in the dark aboout most of the conspiracy. That way, any single leak is manageable.
Your conviction of believing conspiracies to be unrealistic is common and helps conspirators a lot. It disincentivises whistleblowers in particular.
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#27Earlier quoted context omitted.
Did you have a particular example in mind?
There's a class of conspiracy theorist who ties everything into a grand unified theory, usually anti-Semitic. Some are anti Jesuit. They're not picky about conspiracy theories, they like them all. So the moon landing was faked, argument over the origin of Covid was suppressed, mkultra happened, because ... The Jews, somehow, for some reason. This is usually who is meant when "conspiracy theorist" is used. A recent ex…
A lot of CT is just being skeptical about things and trying to reconcile either "statements against interest" or actions that are not congruent with a person's position in society or the government.
Since CT is usually anonymous as to the person advancing it, is it reasonable to assume that for instance, the "flat earth theory" might be in fact advanced as a form of "false flag" in order to discredit other theories, even on a different subject? A way to "increase the noise to signal ratio" as it were?
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#28If John Adams, Benjamin Franklin, Alexander Hamilton, John Jay, Thomas Jefferson, James Madison, and George Washington didn't conspire, the United States as-is would still be a colony of Great Britain.
Just saying.
Addendum: If Stadhouder Willem van Oranje and likeminded people like Andries Hessels, Jacques Tayaert, Jacob Valcke, Pieter van Dieven and Jan van Asseliers didn't conspire against the Spanish throne The Netherlands as-is would probably still be a vassal or colony of Spain.
Fun fact: the United States Declaration of Independence was inspired by the Act of Abjuration ("Plakkaat van Verlatinghe") in which the United Netherlands declared their independence from Spain.
And I could go on and on and on, but I think you and me both have better things to do on this beautiful Sunday.
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There's a class of conspiracy theorist who ties everything into a grand unified theory, usually anti-Semitic. Some are anti Jesuit. They're not picky about conspiracy theories, they like them all. So the moon landing was faked, argument over the origin of Covid was suppressed, mkultra happened, because ... The Jews, somehow, for some reason. This is usually who is meant when "conspiracy theorist" is used. A recent ex…
I think you are saying that not every CTist is a "maximalist" as you put it. A lot of CT is just being skeptical about things and trying to reconcile either "statements against interest" or actions that are not congruent with a person's position in society or the government. Since CT is usually anonymous as to the person advancing it, is it reasonable to assume that for instance, the "flat earth theory" might be in f…
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Conspiracy: An agreement to perform together an illegal, wrongful, or subversive act. Insofar as 2 or more people have coordinated, colluded, or planned an illegal, wrongful, or subversive act, a conspiracy is afoot. In fact, almost all significant illegal, wrongful, or subversive acts include conspiracies to commit said acts. I think it is safe to say that the present sociopolitical and socioeconomic landscapes are…
Society is full of real, actual conspiracies and collusion that are harmful to people, whether they’re currently illegal or not. It’s just that the people promoting what popular media refers to as “conspiracy theory” throw enormous resources at distracting from those substantive issues by focusing on 5G, microchips in vaccines, chemtrails, and various silly theories of secret cabals running the world. If I was one of…