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Re: Tailscale vs. Narrowlink

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Post by fragmede »

madeofpalk wrote: post #108
fragmede wrote: post #23

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What makes it "fluff" to you? My definition of "fluff" is that it doesn't answer my question, and that I walk away from it with no idea what the product even is. This is mostly concrete and I can tell you roughly what Narrowlink is and isn't after reading their (misspelled) page. Something like: "Introducing NarrowLink, the world's most advanced and secure VPN solution! With our cutting-edge technology, you'll experi…

It's SEO spam. You might find it helpful, but that doesn't detract from the obvious nature that, for better or worse, it's design to rank in google and capture clicks.

I don't consider it spam due to its non-spam, grade A prime rib beef content, in actually saying what it does. But if you must, https://xkcd.com/810/ then

Re: Tailscale vs. Narrowlink

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Post by Nezteb »

rsyring wrote: post #127
Nezteb wrote: post #74

I've tried Tailscale, Headscale, Nebula, Netmaker, OpenZiti, wg-easy, and a few other niche overlay network and VPN tools. Each time I still end up using Firezone [1] when I need a simple wrapper over Wireguard. [1] https://www.firezone.dev/

Firezone is a traditional VPN architecture. It's not a mesh overlay network.

Yeahhh, I tried to convey that with "and a few other niche overlay network and VPN tools" to imply that the list contained both kinds of thing, but couldn't think of a better way to phrase it.

Re: Tailscale vs. Narrowlink

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Post by carbotaniuman »

hobofan wrote: post #147
Joker_vD wrote: post #146

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> if you know that a huge amount of the population is allergic to citrus fruit "But guys, what about lemo—", "John, you know we all except you are alergic to citrus, don't you?", "Oh, sorry, completely forgot, let's move on". ??? I don't understand what point you're even trying to argue. If some misguided manager would come to you and ask your opinion in him chosing between Miro and Figma, presumably you'll ask him a…

Image someone drew up a comparison of Miro and Figma which listed a lot of facts that they could be compared on, but left out the parts where one is about designing and the other is about diagramming. Now, you would like to point out that the collection of facts omits some crucial points, which likely makes the comparison useless. What would you say in that instance? In the english language, the most common idiom tha…

Yeah, I think trying to take the idiom too literally reveals a lot of holes, comparing apples to oranges is a legitimate thing to do in the context of what fruit to eat, for example.

Nitpicking that particular but doesn't negate the overall meaning behind the idiom. Lots of things can be compared, but the comparison provides dubious value at best. Sure I can compare having sticky notes on a fridge to Jira, but then I'd be comparing apples to oranges.

Re: Tailscale vs. Narrowlink

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Post by e12e »

Chyzwar wrote: post #137
e12e wrote: post #131

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> I would like to have NFS over tailnet that you can easily share with others. Anything stopping you there? Other than NFS being NFS? CIFS/Samba or WebDAV should work fine?

If you already have mesh network and client application installed, why not extend this for easy network sharing?

... because network sharing is easy if you can trust the network? Easy re-use of existing network tools is literally the usecase for these networks in the first place?

Re: Tailscale vs. Narrowlink

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Post by Alifatisk »

Sugimot0 wrote: post #84

Here's a list of alternatives and related projects: https://github.com/anderspitman/awesome-tunneling

Cool project, I might have to check it out.

I recently tried to use ngrok as a daemon to my local server but it constantly kept closing the connection, and it seems to be a common issue.

Re: Tailscale vs. Narrowlink

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Post by PLG88 »

Alifatisk wrote: post #155
Sugimot0 wrote: post #84

Here's a list of alternatives and related projects: https://github.com/anderspitman/awesome-tunneling

Cool project, I might have to check it out. I recently tried to use ngrok as a daemon to my local server but it constantly kept closing the connection, and it seems to be a common issue.

That happens if you are using the free version on Ngrok. You could also check out zrok.io, its an open source alternative I work on. We also have a free SaaS version for easy usage.

Re: Tailscale vs. Narrowlink

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Post by PLG88 »

smoldesu wrote: post #149
TaylorAlexander wrote: post #148

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> Given Tailscale's featureset as a product, it's not reasonable to expect it's self-hosted alternative to be a pushbutton replacement. Yeah, exactly. That’s why I started this thread by disagreeing with the tailscale employee who said “we don’t need to open source tailscale because headscale already exists.” Headscale and tailscale are not the same. I want to use tailscale, and I would love it if tailscale was open…

I don't think it is possible to Open Source the entirety of Tailscale, is what I'm saying. Their product is deeply intertwined with system providers, autoscalers and load balancers. There's a world in which they "open source" Tailscale in the form of a massive K8s spec, which costs ~$400/day to operate for a single user. But... nobody would really use it. If Headscale offers most of the features with much less overhe…

I believe the best approach is to have a completely open source core product which its own API. You can then have a propriatery multi-tenant platform (incl. hosting, mngt, patching, support, 3rd party integrations etc) which interacts with the open source API. This provides the best of both worlds.

fwiw, I work for a company with both an open source and proprietary product and this is how we do it.

Re: Tailscale vs. Narrowlink

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Post by PLG88 »

tamimio wrote: post #75

I’m more interested in the link stability and latency, any benchmarks for all these products? Nebula/headscale/narrolink?

There are but they are all done by companies with an interest and therefore other parties cry foul that their product was not setup to give best performance. fwiw, I work on the OpenZiti project which may interest you too as the overlay is a smart routing mesh network (think concepts of MPLS as SW) including ability to have multiple nodes with E2E latency being used to shift paths.

Re: Tailscale vs. Narrowlink

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Post by Alifatisk »

PLG88 wrote: post #156
Alifatisk wrote: post #155

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Cool project, I might have to check it out. I recently tried to use ngrok as a daemon to my local server but it constantly kept closing the connection, and it seems to be a common issue.

That happens if you are using the free version on Ngrok. You could also check out zrok.io, its an open source alternative I work on. We also have a free SaaS version for easy usage.

I managed to find a solution, It's called ngrok agent (also free) which I run in docker as daemon mode.

But I might check out zrok.io anyways, can I run it in a container aswell?

Re: Tailscale vs. Narrowlink

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Post by PLG88 »

Alifatisk wrote: post #159
PLG88 wrote: post #156

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That happens if you are using the free version on Ngrok. You could also check out zrok.io, its an open source alternative I work on. We also have a free SaaS version for easy usage.

I managed to find a solution, It's called ngrok agent (also free) which I run in docker as daemon mode. But I might check out zrok.io anyways, can I run it in a container aswell?

For sure. Here's a video with docker - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HxyvtFAvwUE&ab_channel=OpenZ....

The real game changer (but may not be relevant you) is zrok is being abled to use the OpenZiti SDKs so that you can embed zrok functions directly into an application. We have built the Go one so far, but all others will be done in due course.

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