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Sony and other music labels sue Internet Archive for digitizing old records

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Re: Sony and other music labels sue Internet Archive for digitizing old records

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You can stream them here: https://www.locserendipity.com/PushPlay.html

And LPs here: https://locserendipity.com/LP.html

These websites do not hold the data itself, but only the links to the IA data (don’t want to get sued), so donate to the Internet Archive if you use these regularly.

Re: Sony and other music labels sue Internet Archive for digitizing old records

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no opinion. they have what is commonly referred to as “library privilege”.

A library is publicly accessible, just like the Internet Archive. What's the difference?

actually quite a few:

https://www.bl.uk/help/what-is-library-privilege

check out the section “ Your obligations when using the Library Privilege Service”

Re: Sony and other music labels sue Internet Archive for digitizing old records

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no opinion. they have what is commonly referred to as “library privilege”.

Isn't IA officially registered as a library? Why shouldn't they have the same privilege?

from what i know on this subject only “national libraries” have a special carve-out for copyrighted works. and even then the rules are very strict.

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the internet archive operating in private instead of public solves your problem, no?

No, because if it's in private, I can't access it. What good is preservation of knowledge and culture if it can't be accessed by anyone but the select few?

i don’t really understand the connection between “publicly accessible” and “preservation of knowledge and culture”. these are usually distinct subjects.

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no it’s not. you just need to preserve it privately not publicly.

How is it persevered if its not distributed? This is already the issue, time and time again the copyright holders in charge of the preservation consider sub-quality or incomplete versions to be "preserved" and its up to passionate individuals to cobble together a definitive, full quality, complete version. With streaming being so dominant we need relaxed rules on this more than ever and the amount of people copying m…

> How is it persevered if its not distributed?

easy. national library.

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No, because if it's in private, I can't access it. What good is preservation of knowledge and culture if it can't be accessed by anyone but the select few?

i don’t really understand the connection between “publicly accessible” and “preservation of knowledge and culture”. these are usually distinct subjects.

Who is it being preserved for and why? For a select few, as a bragging point? Or for y'know, all of humanity to preserve their heritage?

If knowledge and culture aren't accessible to the vast majority of people, they're not being preserved for humanity. They're locked away from humanity and they might as well be fully gone.

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Does anyone know why the Internet Archive seems to be deliberately picking expensive legal fights? Surely they're not really worried that White Christmas will be lost to history.

They're just not digitizing hit songs, they're digitizing forgotten artists and rare recordings. The Internet Archive is extremely valuable to music historians like myself in finding and understanding artists who have never been reissued and whose recordings are difficult to find. If they're forced to pull down these recordings from public access, it will be a huge loss to cultural history.

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Isn't IA officially registered as a library? Why shouldn't they have the same privilege?

from what i know on this subject only “national libraries” have a special carve-out for copyrighted works. and even then the rules are very strict.

National to whom? I believe IA has offices in at least three jurisdictions.

Re: Sony and other music labels sue Internet Archive for digitizing old records

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Does anyone know why the Internet Archive seems to be deliberately picking expensive legal fights? Surely they're not really worried that White Christmas will be lost to history.

They're just not digitizing hit songs, they're digitizing forgotten artists and rare recordings. The Internet Archive is extremely valuable to music historians like myself in finding and understanding artists who have never been reissued and whose recordings are difficult to find. If they're forced to pull down these recordings from public access, it will be a huge loss to cultural history.

Yeah, and they'd have a much stronger leg to stand on in court (or more likely never even get dragged into court) if they were focusing only on rare, out-of-print music.

My question stands: why are they deliberately picking this fight?

Re: Sony and other music labels sue Internet Archive for digitizing old records

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Full list of the plaintiffs, so that they can be appropriately awarded next time one is shopping for music. UMG Recordings, Inc. - Capitol Records, LLC - Concord Bicycle Assets, LLC - CMGI Recorded Music Assets, LLC - Sony Music Entertainment - Arista Music

There's only a few music companies in the world. Either you avoid all of them or none of them.

That's easy. I just avoid all of them. Have done since about 2002.

It's not as if their products are overly necessary, or even enjoyable.

Sony particularly is on my boycott list, since the 90s. They've never been the nicest of companies.

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