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Sony and other music labels sue Internet Archive for digitizing old records

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Re: Sony and other music labels sue Internet Archive for digitizing old records

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Preservation done privately is a fool's errand. You'll have tiny bits of culture scattered across many owners, none of which will share what they have, not an actual archive that's useful to anyone.

the internet archive operating in private instead of public solves your problem, no?

No, because if it's in private, I can't access it. What good is preservation of knowledge and culture if it can't be accessed by anyone but the select few?

Re: Sony and other music labels sue Internet Archive for digitizing old records

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so, what's your opinion on public libraries?

no opinion. they have what is commonly referred to as “library privilege”.

A library is publicly accessible, just like the Internet Archive. What's the difference?

Re: Sony and other music labels sue Internet Archive for digitizing old records

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so, what's your opinion on public libraries?

no opinion. they have what is commonly referred to as “library privilege”.

Isn't IA officially registered as a library? Why shouldn't they have the same privilege?

Re: Sony and other music labels sue Internet Archive for digitizing old records

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Copyright law is incompatible with preservation of cultural artefacts.

I still get upset when I think about the shutdown of what.cd. It was like burning the Library of Alexandria, all in the name of profit.

Copyright law is anti-culture and anti-knowledge. It's ridiculous how we're purposefully holding back human development so a few megacorps can extract even more value from artists.

Re: Sony and other music labels sue Internet Archive for digitizing old records

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Distribution helps to preserve cultural artifacts. It's more likely for them to survive if they are backed up in different places. History has proven that copyright holders prefer cultural works to be lost than distributed without payment. Most of early movies have been lost. Tons of music has been lost. Many old video games are only available illegally. We now have technology to archive and distribute cultural artif…

Look up events like the Bronze Age collapse, where a handful people disappeared and took a whole civilization with them. If knowledge and access is more distributed we can avoid similar loss in the future

It seems Mediterranean peoples were weakened by a severe multi-year drought. A handful people (the so called mysterious sea people) with different military strategy overrun multiple bronze age states.

Trade collapse led to impossibility of making bronze weapons, which further amplified collapse. This was possible because tin mines were few and far apart. So it was a vicious cycle triggered by a weak point, on a background of hardship. The lesson is not to depend on a single failure point.

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This is not the first time time that copyright law has clashed with public interest: Googles "Project Ocean" is a recent example with significant legal proceedings to serve as illustration for how this type of case is likely to proceed. https://www.theatlantic.com/technology/archive/2017/04/the-t...

Re: Sony and other music labels sue Internet Archive for digitizing old records

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It seems the Internet Archive itself may be in need of archiving... in a far more distributed manner.

Maybe, but first they need very good, very aggressive lawyers so they can stomp these lawsuits before they can take hold in first place.

Get a judge to set a very good precedent with one of the big labels and then everyone else will think twice before trying to sue them.

Re: Sony and other music labels sue Internet Archive for digitizing old records

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When reading about everything the Internet Archive does, I feel like it is something that the Library of Congress should be doing.

One of the biggest threats to the Internet Archive is legal threats. Having the Library of Congress do that archiving role would get rid of a lot of legal threats.

I feel the US in recent years has gone too far in relying on private entities to fulfill services that really should be public services.

Re: Sony and other music labels sue Internet Archive for digitizing old records

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Copyright law is incompatible with preservation of cultural artefacts.

no it’s not. you just need to preserve it privately not publicly.

How is it persevered if its not distributed? This is already the issue, time and time again the copyright holders in charge of the preservation consider sub-quality or incomplete versions to be "preserved" and its up to passionate individuals to cobble together a definitive, full quality, complete version.

With streaming being so dominant we need relaxed rules on this more than ever and the amount of people copying media instead of streaming it is such a tiny minority the claim its affective the bottom line is ridiculous.

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