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YouTube gets more aggressive in pushing adblock warnings with countdown timer

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Re: YouTube gets more aggressive in pushing adblock warnings with countdown timer

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post #49

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I don’t want to give Google my credit card, because in case of any problem/litigation, they can take away my Gmail. They’ve painted themselves in a corner with routinely deleting accounts for political reasons.

How about stopping using Gmail then?

Switching from a 0.028% probability to 0.0028% isn’t worth more hassle than just having ads every day, all the time.

Re: YouTube gets more aggressive in pushing adblock warnings with countdown timer

#52
post #49

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don’t want to give Google my credit card, because in case of any problem/litigation, they can take away my Gmail. They’ve painted themselves in a corner with routinely deleting accounts for political reasons.

How about stopping using Gmail then?

Aside from the issue here, and the PRIVACY mess, it's the best thing since email was invented.

Availability, universally accepted, free (to the product: you), large storage, easy to use.

There is no serious competition, and I say this as a Hotmail user since well before Larry and Sergey opened their doors.

I have a vanity domain which MX's to Gmail so I can move it to another service _when_ they bumrush me, but I don't want to have that happen so I keep my account in good standimg.

Other than self-hosting or a paid service, do you have a suggestion for an alternative?

I know I'm not the OP, but I'm genuinely interested in this.

Re: YouTube gets more aggressive in pushing adblock warnings with countdown timer

#53
I wonder how are they "detecting adblock". Let's say I have an alternative youtube client like smartyoutubetv. What will they do? Check if ads are loaded? Fine, the software can be written to load the ads, but not display them. Will they check the timing info? (that you pull a part of the video, then pull the ad for 30s,then the rest?). Will they encode the ad right into the video stream? The app can be coded with a play buffer. Like the tivo "skip ads on TV feature" of decades ago.

There is no way youtube can win this battle using "brute force". The only way they can win this is by offering a new better service, not deteriorating existing ones. What could that new service be? How about recommendations that don't suck? I used to watch a lot of youtube on my TV from the main page. These days I only use a list of my subscribed channels and a search feature.

Also, if youtube gets really aggressive people will go elsewhere.

Re: YouTube gets more aggressive in pushing adblock warnings with countdown timer

#54
Youtube seems to have a monopoly in the same way that Reddit does--it offers a product with network effect that you can't get anywhere else. However, most of what I use Youtube for is entertainment, same as Reddit. When Reddit turned to problematic, I had no problem not using it and switching to other forms of entertainment.

Re: YouTube gets more aggressive in pushing adblock warnings with countdown timer

#55
post #53

I wonder how are they "detecting adblock". Let's say I have an alternative youtube client like smartyoutubetv. What will they do? Check if ads are loaded? Fine, the software can be written to load the ads, but not display them. Will they check the timing info? (that you pull a part of the video, then pull the ad for 30s,then the rest?). Will they encode the ad right into the video stream? The app can be coded with a…

It'll be really hard to win that battle with Google, because:

1. they own the browser (Chrome is the dominant browser) and with their "Web Integrity API" proposal they can do whatever they want. Also v3 doesn't help adblockers.

2. they own youtube and all the content. I've seen many youtube creators speak against adblocking, because no ads = no income for them. Most people can't create content at consistently high level without getting paid for their time or their team time. So Google and content producers both are better off without ad-blockers.

The web in 5 years sadly will lose most of the freedoms we take for granted, because nothing is "free" if it requires human time and resources. May be with crypto some pockets would emerge but large scale monopolies like Youtube with strong network effects wouldn't bulge.

Re: YouTube gets more aggressive in pushing adblock warnings with countdown timer

#56
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Yeah, still not budging. They keep shoving multiple obnoxious ads every few minutes in the video. It is the same as the predatory monetization approach in the (mobile) gaming industry where authors makes the original product so awful deliberately only so they can shove subscription down your throat. Basically selling you solution for a problem they created. Screw that mentality, not paying them. And I don't mind payi…

Not sure if it's true, but what you're writing makes it sound like you feel entitled to use their product for free. Not a compelling argument.

Re: YouTube gets more aggressive in pushing adblock warnings with countdown timer

#58
post #7

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There is no quality on youtube.

The terrible thing is that, buried deep under the mound of trash, somewhere among the million videos of pathetic grifters and desperate attention-seekers and supremely-confident cranks, there is quality content.

That's also part of the issue of YouTube premium, we talk a lot about the pricing but the fact that you can't search videos makes the platform less valuable as a media platform.

Google is designing YouTube as a ad distribution platform, not as a media platform and it shows

Re: YouTube gets more aggressive in pushing adblock warnings with countdown timer

#59

While I disagree with trying to prevent Adblock, I’m a recent convert to YouTube premium and it’s just so nice. I only tried it after using my girlfriend’s account on our TV for a bit, I was vehemently against it prior. Am I super happy about paying for YouTube? No. Is it worth ~CAD$30/mo to not worry about ads anywhere, have background playback on mobile, and support the folks I watch? Absolutely.

The problem with YT premium is that I often browse in Incognito for enhanced privacy and YouTube premium doesn’t work in incognito. So I would still be seeing ads half of the time, if I didn’t use an adblocker.

Wait, you actually believe that Incognito Mode gives you privacy? Have you looked into that with facts and data?

Re: YouTube gets more aggressive in pushing adblock warnings with countdown timer

#60

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The problem with YT premium is that I often browse in Incognito for enhanced privacy and YouTube premium doesn’t work in incognito. So I would still be seeing ads half of the time, if I didn’t use an adblocker.

Wait, you actually believe that Incognito Mode gives you privacy? Have you looked into that with facts and data?

What other option is there?
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