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Ode to the M1

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Re: Ode to the M1

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Post by LtWorf »

presentation wrote: post #43
mrd3v0 wrote: post #17

> Software "engineers" > For every extra cycle an hardware engineer can squeeze out of silicon, you will find a programmer adding one hundred cycles to their program[6]. In other terms, I fear that once devs figure out how powerful the M1 is, they will throw more "features" at it. Can we please stop replicating the "growth" fallacy into software ecosystems? Haven't we learnt enough about how unsustainable and damagin…

Keep hoping, because it won’t happen. Practically no consumers care except for other software engineers complaining loudly on HN, and meanwhile companies save millions by not handcrafting their CRUD apps in assembly.

Consumers care but have no choice.

Like consumers that want to buy a phone that fit in the hand… there is none at a reasonable price.

Re: Ode to the M1

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Post by abdusco »

thecopy wrote: post #110
Lukas_Skywalker wrote: post #107

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Money is only part of the equation. It's pretty wasteful to have to toss a computer because one component failed, when that specific component would be replaceable in other brands.

Apple has a tradein program where you can trade in your current Apple device for a discount on a new device.

And get paid peanuts in return?

Re: Ode to the M1

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Post by easeout »

j-a-a-p wrote: post #82
travisgriggs wrote: post #2

I like UTM too. I must be doing something wrong though. I created both X86 Ubuntu and Debian 10 VMs. They are usable, but not quick. I have been blown away how fast Rosetta 2 x86 programs run my m1. The arm embedded gcc too chain compile code 4x faster than the native x86 MBPro from a year or so ago. But the UTM VMs run about 3x slower.

Yes, before installing read that UTM uses Qemu and did not pursue it any further. AFAIK only Mac runs on apple silicon, everything else is emulated.

As I understand it, an aarch64 Mac can virtualize aarch64 Linux and does not have to emulate it. Here's an Apple sample project: https://developer.apple.com/documentation/virtualization/run...

Re: Ode to the M1

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Post by rejectfinite »

anonyfox wrote: post #38

Still running a M1 Air 13“, now into my third job since, and refusing to bother with company provided computers. Still feeling as great as 3 years ago… will only upgrade if the next gen is substantially better (read: not just %faster somewhere). Can comfortably develop on my lap for a full day if needed, only MS Teams draws power like crazy, but apart from that 8 hours+. Best computer I ever had I think.

>and refusing to bother with company provided computers

To you and people that do this:

Do you enroll your personal PC in the companies MDM like intune or Jamf?

Do you install their endpoint protection/antivirus/EDR/MDR?

or you just leave it unmanaged?

Re: Ode to the M1

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Post by easeout »

WanderPanda wrote: post #19
vbezhenar wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You can't run x86 Linux quickly on macOS. What you can do is to run ARM Linux quickly on macOS and run x86 programs inside of that Linux with Rosetta quickly.

Wait you can use Rosetta inside a Linux VM?

Yes, see Apple's documentation: https://developer.apple.com/documentation/virtualization/run...

Re: Ode to the M1

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Post by rejectfinite »

matsemann wrote: post #45
anonyfox wrote: post #38

Still running a M1 Air 13“, now into my third job since, and refusing to bother with company provided computers. Still feeling as great as 3 years ago… will only upgrade if the next gen is substantially better (read: not just %faster somewhere). Can comfortably develop on my lap for a full day if needed, only MS Teams draws power like crazy, but apart from that 8 hours+. Best computer I ever had I think.

I'm a bit confused by the "still". How often would you expect to upgrade hardware? Keeping a computer for three years is completely normal for most people.

True, I am using my 2014 desktop and my work PC is from 2020. Totally normal...

Re: Ode to the M1

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Post by dave84 »

Iulioh wrote: post #104
sneak wrote: post #101

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> The main problem with devices like Apple's Mx series laptops is that everything works fine...until it doesn't. This device is non-repairable and non-upgradeable as far as CPU, RAM and disk are concerned. Given inflation, the Macbook Airs are pretty crazy cheap. If they break you can just replace them. The base base low end M1 Air is only $1000 last I looked (and another $100 off for those in education). They're som…

The base model price is a little misleading. 256 and 8 gb are lowkey unusable for anything but a Facebook machine . I always look at the price for the 16/500 or 16/1t machine as the reference point

That’s not true at all. Have you actually used one?

Edit: obviously if you need a windows vm you’re out of luck at 8gb ram

Re: Ode to the M1

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Post by senttoschool »

Iulioh wrote: post #104
sneak wrote: post #101

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> The main problem with devices like Apple's Mx series laptops is that everything works fine...until it doesn't. This device is non-repairable and non-upgradeable as far as CPU, RAM and disk are concerned. Given inflation, the Macbook Airs are pretty crazy cheap. If they break you can just replace them. The base base low end M1 Air is only $1000 last I looked (and another $100 off for those in education). They're som…

The base model price is a little misleading. 256 and 8 gb are lowkey unusable for anything but a Facebook machine . I always look at the price for the 16/500 or 16/1t machine as the reference point

I used the M1 Air 8/256 as a dev machine for a whole year. It was faster than a 16/512 Intel 16" MBP from 2019.

Calling it a Facebook machine is silly.

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