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Every phone should be able to run personal websites

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Re: Every phone should be able to run personal websites

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Post by jeroenhd »

paulcole wrote: post #308
jeroenhd wrote: post #226

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The point is not that everyone should, it's that some people who want to, should be able to. Phones are quite powerful and can be excellent web servers on a budget.

> some people who want to, should be able to And this is a terrible argument IMO. The idea of “It’s my device, it’s my right to do exactly what I want with it” is beyond dead and buried. There are lots of things people want to do with their devices that Apple doesn’t let them do. That’s literally been Apple’s philosophy for decades and at this point it shouldn’t be surprising. Buy the Pinephone if you absolutely have…

Who said anything about Apple? Apple actually allows hosting content on port 80/443/22/whatever.

Also, "I don't need this so nobody should have it" is a terrible take.

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Post by 1vuio0pswjnm7 »

1vuio0pswjnm7 wrote: post #178

With respect to the idea of hosting personal websites without using hosting companies, why does it have to be port 80. Port 80 is what commercial hosting uses, but this proposal is fundamentally different from commercial hosting. I'm not sure I understand why using an agreed-upon high port would not be an acceptable alternative. As for non-rooted Android not allowing use of port 80, this is just one symptom of the la…

"Security" has become a "justfication" used by so-called "tech" companies for taking control away from the computer owner. One can in fact see this type of rationalisation in this thread. This "justification" is pervasively used across popular consumer OS today.

Re: Every phone should be able to run personal websites

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Post by paulcole »

jeroenhd wrote: post #311
paulcole wrote: post #308

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> some people who want to, should be able to And this is a terrible argument IMO. The idea of “It’s my device, it’s my right to do exactly what I want with it” is beyond dead and buried. There are lots of things people want to do with their devices that Apple doesn’t let them do. That’s literally been Apple’s philosophy for decades and at this point it shouldn’t be surprising. Buy the Pinephone if you absolutely have…

Who said anything about Apple? Apple actually allows hosting content on port 80/443/22/whatever. Also, "I don't need this so nobody should have it" is a terrible take.

> Who said anything about Apple?

Literally the title of the post (every phone)…

It’s not a terrible take. I want the features Apple decides are best for the iPhone because I prefer their philosophy to the idea of some device with unlimited options and settings.

Re: Every phone should be able to run personal websites

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Post by 2OEH8eoCRo0 »

JakeAl wrote: post #310

Whatever the problem this would appear to solve, it makes more sense to me that router company should simply build in a 256GB web server into every router so people can host their own site. Routers are expensive and what's another $20 on the price? Hell do a deal with WordPress to use their software like the router companies do with VPN software. They already add FTP capabilities for NAS drives.

> do a deal with WordPress to use their software like the router companies do with VPN software.

This is the kind of thing that I'd like to see.

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Post by convolvatron »

duggan wrote: post #112
flangola7 wrote: post #93

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So? That's up to the user to decide.

Sure, if the user can build their own phone. Otherwise they're competing with a lot of other people interested in what the phone should and should not do. If they own a hammer, they can do what they like with a hammer, but a phone is not a hammer. It's a complex arrangement of molecules, licenses and competing group interests.

there is nothing fundamental to differentiate a hammer from a phone except complexity.

I'm sure if someone found a way to shove ads and place restrictions on the use of your hammer they would.

Re: Every phone should be able to run personal websites

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Post by jeroenhd »

paulcole wrote: post #313
jeroenhd wrote: post #311

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Who said anything about Apple? Apple actually allows hosting content on port 80/443/22/whatever. Also, "I don't need this so nobody should have it" is a terrible take.

> Who said anything about Apple? Literally the title of the post (every phone)… It’s not a terrible take. I want the features Apple decides are best for the iPhone because I prefer their philosophy to the idea of some device with unlimited options and settings.

> I want the features Apple decides are best for the iPhone because I prefer their philosophy to the idea of some device with unlimited options and settings.

Okay, then you've got me confused. Apple decided years ago to allow applications to bind to port 80 and run a personal website on their phones.

Does that mean you want Apple to change something or not? Because Apple decided their devices should be able to serve anything on "privileged" ports.

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Post by giancarlostoro »

flangola7 wrote: post #101
jeroenhd wrote: post #66

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Without root access you're not going to be able to use port 80 or port 443 on Android. I don't think iOS has the same restriction, but I can't find any documentation about it so I'm not sure.

Why would you need root access for the most common posts on the internet?

Not to access them on other systems, but to listen on them.

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Post by ehutch79 »

smoldesu wrote: post #264
ehutch79 wrote: post #215

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The lesson is open source needs to produce more accessible, usable software instead playing Cassandra

Did you post this comment before the third panel loaded, or are you in abject denial of the power you lack as a user of services such as Hacker News?

I have no idea what you mean by this. Can you explain please?

Re: Every phone should be able to run personal websites

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Post by nologic01 »

fsflover wrote: post #262
nologic01 wrote: post #83

Unlocking the smartphone will be a singular event in computing history. Running a personal website is a metaphor for actually using the device fully and with agency. It cannot not happen. The drivers are the ever increasing commoditisation of quality hardware, the slow but steady maturity of open source software and the fact that it takes machination at planetary scale to prevent it from happening (ie keeping these e…

> Unlocking the smartphone will be a singular event in computing history > It cannot not happen It has already happened: GNU/Linux phones, Librem 5 and Pinephone, are already available.

I was thinking of slightly wider adoption, but the proof-of-principle is indeed already here.

Demonstrating that this freedom offers radical new opportunities (the infamous killer apps) is not yet done though.

We need to think outside the confines that locked down devices have forced us to think. Swarms of mobiles acting as both clients and servers are a new unexplored territory.

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