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Every phone should be able to run personal websites

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Re: Every phone should be able to run personal websites

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Post by pizza »

judge2020 wrote: post #299
1vuio0pswjnm7 wrote: post #178

With respect to the idea of hosting personal websites without using hosting companies, why does it have to be port 80. Port 80 is what commercial hosting uses, but this proposal is fundamentally different from commercial hosting. I'm not sure I understand why using an agreed-upon high port would not be an acceptable alternative. As for non-rooted Android not allowing use of port 80, this is just one symptom of the la…

> As for non-rooted Android not allowing use of port 80, this is just one symptom of the larger problem of not allowing the computer owner to have root privileges. And letting an advertising company have them instead. IMHO. But then there is nothing stopping the user from installing spyware and becoming a botnet zombie by following a video tutorial about "how to install fortnite vbucks generator apk". Most people are…

Why not go the route of informed consent + sane defaults? It’s more respectful of the user. If informed consent is too difficult to do then there are deeper more fundamental issues with the OS.

Re: Every phone should be able to run personal websites

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Post by EMIRELADERO »

judge2020 wrote: post #299
1vuio0pswjnm7 wrote: post #178

With respect to the idea of hosting personal websites without using hosting companies, why does it have to be port 80. Port 80 is what commercial hosting uses, but this proposal is fundamentally different from commercial hosting. I'm not sure I understand why using an agreed-upon high port would not be an acceptable alternative. As for non-rooted Android not allowing use of port 80, this is just one symptom of the la…

> As for non-rooted Android not allowing use of port 80, this is just one symptom of the larger problem of not allowing the computer owner to have root privileges. And letting an advertising company have them instead. IMHO. But then there is nothing stopping the user from installing spyware and becoming a botnet zombie by following a video tutorial about "how to install fortnite vbucks generator apk". Most people are…

do macOS users suffer from malware to an extent big enough that would justify the measures currently employed on phones and game consoles?

Re: Every phone should be able to run personal websites

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Post by mulmen »

albuic wrote: post #244
mulmen wrote: post #183

If it was lan/wifi/bluetooth/local only then I could see it being kinda neat. Could have a little personal profile page for the people in your immediate vicinity. Could even update it by location. Like a kind of hyperlocal Tinder. But if this is a WWW page doesn’t it open up individuals to D/DoS attacks? What happens when an angry ex nukes your battery on a Saturday night? I don’t see why hosting from a phone should…

I have always thought that we need a way to add firewall rules on ISP side so that we can block abuse at the origin without impacting the last device.

No thanks. ISPs have proven to not be trustworthy. What you are describing is a proxy like Cloudflare who you pay specifically to prevent abuse through your domain.

I want a firewall from my ISP about as much as I want a carwash from my public utilities.

Re: Every phone should be able to run personal websites

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Post by danans »

> Back in 2009, anynone with a Nokia could have a personal website running on their own phone. Sadly this amazing piece of tech was never widely adopted.

It's not sad, just sensible. In 2009 it made no sense to host a website on a phone. If you didn't want to use a hosting service, an old desktop or laptop made more sense than a smartphone even then.

A smartphone as a server could be useful for some in-person use cases where internet access is either unavailable or undesired. For example: an emergency neighborhood communication network, or perhaps a p2p shopping experience for swap meets.

However, these use cases tend to be rare (total internet outages usually get fixed very quickly), or of marginal real-world value (at a swap meet you just walk around to see what's available), so there aren't many resources dedicated to developing solutions for them.

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Post by judge2020 »

EMIRELADERO wrote: post #302
judge2020 wrote: post #299

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> As for non-rooted Android not allowing use of port 80, this is just one symptom of the larger problem of not allowing the computer owner to have root privileges. And letting an advertising company have them instead. IMHO. But then there is nothing stopping the user from installing spyware and becoming a botnet zombie by following a video tutorial about "how to install fortnite vbucks generator apk". Most people are…

do macOS users suffer from malware to an extent big enough that would justify the measures currently employed on phones and game consoles?

https://www.techradar.com/news/macs-have-too-much-malware-ac...

Re: Every phone should be able to run personal websites

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Post by paulcole »

sillysaurusx wrote: post #194
1vuio0pswjnm7 wrote: post #178

With respect to the idea of hosting personal websites without using hosting companies, why does it have to be port 80. Port 80 is what commercial hosting uses, but this proposal is fundamentally different from commercial hosting. I'm not sure I understand why using an agreed-upon high port would not be an acceptable alternative. As for non-rooted Android not allowing use of port 80, this is just one symptom of the la…

I saw some statistics showing that the majority of people in the US don't even have broadband (speed) internet, let alone a second computer. Here's an uncomfortable thought: The modern day personal website is someone's tiktok profile page. And it's thanks to the fact that everyone has a phone, and tiktok just works. There's an opportunity to learn from this model, though I'm not sure what the lesson is.

Why is that an uncomfortable thought? Most people don’t want or need a personal website. I know I don’t — what the heck would I use it for?

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Post by thenickdude »

stcroixx wrote: post #265
vorticalbox wrote: post #166

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You can run a static site on github.com for free.

Surely without any content restrictions or consequences to the account.

Do you imagine these restrictions disappear when you host content using your cell provider? They have acceptable use and abuse policies too.

Re: Every phone should be able to run personal websites

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Post by paulcole »

jeroenhd wrote: post #226
ehutch79 wrote: post #207

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Literally when the title indicates. Why would phones need to run a web server if that’s not the point?

The point is not that everyone should, it's that some people who want to, should be able to. Phones are quite powerful and can be excellent web servers on a budget.

> some people who want to, should be able to

And this is a terrible argument IMO. The idea of “It’s my device, it’s my right to do exactly what I want with it” is beyond dead and buried. There are lots of things people want to do with their devices that Apple doesn’t let them do. That’s literally been Apple’s philosophy for decades and at this point it shouldn’t be surprising.

Buy the Pinephone if you absolutely have some arcane use-case you can’t live without.

Re: Every phone should be able to run personal websites

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Post by paulcole »

postalrat wrote: post #118
tmpX7dMeXU wrote: post #35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I chose to purchase a phone that can’t do this. I’m fine with that. I’d rather my phone be how it is. I don’t need some nerd fighting for me in some imagined battle. I am incredibly sick of this line of reasoning. Anyone who spends any time arguing this point quite clearly has too much time on their hands and no real problems. It’s utterly cringey. Leave me be.

What are you gaining by entering this fight? Step aside.

Totally agree. Let’s keep this the one-sided echo chamber it was designed to be.

Re: Every phone should be able to run personal websites

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Post by JakeAl »

Whatever the problem this would appear to solve, it makes more sense to me that router company should simply build in a 256GB web server into every router so people can host their own site. Routers are expensive and what's another $20 on the price? Hell do a deal with WordPress to use their software like the router companies do with VPN software. They already add FTP capabilities for NAS drives.
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