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Record labels hit Internet Archive with new copyright lawsuit
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Re: Record labels hit Internet Archive with new copyright lawsuit
#202What is the best way to let these greedy bastards know that we disagree with their conduct? Not buying records will only lead to them wrongfully claiming that they "lost revenue due to piracy".
This thread brings back memories. It is refreshing to revisit. If you want to break away, unsubscribe from streaming, share with your friends, by used records, tapes, and cds.
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#203Earlier quoted context omitted.
It’s 70 years after the death of the author. So if Andy Weir died tomorrow, The Martian wouldn’t enter the public domain until 2093.
"...70 years.." That rule does not apply globally. Depends on where you live.
It’s most places, due to the international pressure from multinational organisations like the WIPO (World Intellectual Property Organisation) and WTO (World Trade Organisation) … they have longstanding campaigns to harmonies members national legislations to facilitate easier international trade and respect of intellectual property rights between countries…
As a result most countries (but, yes, not all countries) have the Bern convention “life plus 70”
Re: Record labels hit Internet Archive with new copyright lawsuit
#204The ONLY reason these disgusting predators can colonize human cultural output like this is the antisocial, and tremendously stupid copyright laws enacted. It always makes me wonder why people want a tiny cartel of companies to own humanity’s music culture, and subsequently be able to bully companies like Spotify, Youtube and others into enforcing extrajudicial policies that maintain the cartel’s dominance. Like, seri…
So the answer to 'disgusting predators' is to declare all 'art' (ludicrous distinction, why not everything, and why art?) free? Why not go after the 'disgusting predators' instead?
The value of art is in the experience of observing it (excepting the case of proxy transactions for money laundering).
A picture or video of a bike doesn't substitute for an actual bike if you need to ride it to the store.
An illicit digital copy of a song, however, is pretty fungible for an officially licensed digital copy.
I am much more inclined to suggest we look for better business models to support creators than compel them to live in poverty for my amusement (or deny their children the right to manage their estate).
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#205Earlier quoted context omitted.
Unfortunately you can't vote None of the Above :/ Support among the US political class for copyright and patent law runs so deep that the main argument for untangling our economy from China's is not "they undercut US labor" or "they manipulate their currency" but "they steal our IP". An interesting choice of words, because that's an exclusive 'we'[0]. US voters have little need for copyrights and patents beyond ensur…
I'm not sure if you meant "you cannot become rich without owning copyrights, patents, oil fields, or real estate" literally or not, but it's not really true in any case. There are plenty of people (doctors, dentists, lawyers, software engineers, small business owners) who become wealthy without owning any of those things. Not as wealthy as those who do, perhaps, but wealthy nonetheless. I'm one of them--a lucky IPO t…
> doctors, dentists, lawyers, software engineers, small business owners
Felix Dennis would contend that such people aren't "wealthy". They're comfortable.
Re: Record labels hit Internet Archive with new copyright lawsuit
#206I like this case. It's about recordings that are 70 years old or more, the vast majority are out of print, and the rest are often precariously in print. If I'm reading correctly, the silly nature of the claim that > [...] of the 2,749 recordings listed in the complaint, all but a “small sample” are already available to stream or download from licensed online platforms so they “face no danger of being lost, forgotten,…
2749÷400000 = 0.0068725
So, 0.7% which seems like a very, very small sample.
Did they spend time checking 400k tracks to find these?
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#207Earlier quoted context omitted.
Oh no, not free and unlimited access to art! Anything but that!
Think of the middlemen and distributors, they need to get paid, otherwise who will be making the music?
This is the bogus argument made by so-called "tech" companies profiting from user-generated content. The so-called "tech" company middleman needs to get paid, otherwise so-called "creators" will not produce works nor share them.
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#208Earlier quoted context omitted.
Think of the middlemen and distributors, they need to get paid, otherwise who will be making the music?
I like how they've even managed to shove the middleman bullshit into digital distribution, where there's practically no way to even justify it. You can't just upload music to Spotify or Apple Music or whatever as an independent artist. You need to pay rent to a distributor who is allowed to interact with the streaming service. (Some of them offer the convenient feature of administering royalties for cover songs, but…
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Re: Record labels hit Internet Archive with new copyright lawsuit
#209The ONLY reason these disgusting predators can colonize human cultural output like this is the antisocial, and tremendously stupid copyright laws enacted. It always makes me wonder why people want a tiny cartel of companies to own humanity’s music culture, and subsequently be able to bully companies like Spotify, Youtube and others into enforcing extrajudicial policies that maintain the cartel’s dominance. Like, seri…
So the answer to 'disgusting predators' is to declare all 'art' (ludicrous distinction, why not everything, and why art?) free? Why not go after the 'disgusting predators' instead?
you seem to be suggesting that abolishing copyright is tantamount to abolishing private property
this is obviously nonsense; no human society is known without private property, though there are extremely well-attested societies without writing, without farming, without war, without monogamy, without women, and without clothing
by contrast, all human societies were free of copyright for hundreds of thousands of years until 313 years ago, and in practice most still are
nobody is suggesting making it legal to carry away other people's paintings, records, and books because they are 'art'
we are suggesting making it reliably legal to copy them, because the freedom to reproduce art is something that nobody should ever be denied; retelling stories you've been told, and perhaps playing music you've heard, is as fundamental to being human as private property is. laws granting monopolies on stories and songs for the sake of profit are an intolerable abomination
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#210Earlier quoted context omitted.
They were flaunting copyright laws with books even more egregiously and lost that suit. I think the IA is a deeply important project and wish they'd stop picking these fights.
Picking these fights is part of the mission, universal access to all knowledge requires pushing boubdaries and changing the law.
I think people shouldn't leave rakes littered all over the ground. Perhaps by stepping on them I'll demonstrate why it's a bad idea, but I'll also probably take a couple thwacks to the head in the meantime.