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Every phone should be able to run personal websites

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Re: Every phone should be able to run personal websites

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Post by passion__desire »

troupe wrote: post #201
passion__desire wrote: post #49

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Personal websites are info only. Don't change that much. Google can and should cache results. Once synced, the website could be behind Cloudflare to avoid DDoS.

If you are going to use cloudflare, you might as well just host the page with them. Maybe the value of running on your phone would be so people could see that your phone is up or something like that?

It would be textual version of public WhatsApp status ( or stories) connected to your mobile number. For those people who don't mind sharing information with the public.

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Post by kgbcia »

Honestly, it sounds fun until your IP address is shown to the world. With the potential for people to hack it. For some of us, we have alot of personal and financial data on our phones. I prefer paying five dollars a month to a webhost shared servwe, that has a load balancer, updates the software, backups, etc

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Post by bmitc »

andrewmunsell wrote: post #202
devnullbrain wrote: post #193

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>Phones go into tunnels, run out of battery, and go indoors where there's a poor signal or none at all. i.e. when you can't take a call or a text or read a social media notification. Why does this need to be always-available if those don't?

Because you can't predict when someone will try and hit your site?

While less ideal than hosting it on an "always available" service, is that really enough to prevent the ability to do so? Phones are many people's only computers. Why not let them be actual computers since they're powerful enough to be? A typical smartphone is miles ahead of a Raspberry Pi and people do all sorts of things with Raspberry Pis. What about hosting a portfolio or blog on your phone where you can share it with someone in real-time, like a job interview or some presentation or just to show it?

Also, I wonder what the actual "downtime" of a smartphone is. I doubt it's that much worse than a lot of websites. The downtime of a smartphone is also usually completely independent of the phone itself, as it's usually service and/or location related.

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Post by ehutch79 »

teddyh wrote: post #151
tmpX7dMeXU wrote: post #35

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I chose to purchase a phone that can’t do this. I’m fine with that. I’d rather my phone be how it is. I don’t need some nerd fighting for me in some imagined battle. I am incredibly sick of this line of reasoning. Anyone who spends any time arguing this point quite clearly has too much time on their hands and no real problems. It’s utterly cringey. Leave me be.

“Give it a rest already. Maybe we just want to live our lives and use software that works , not get wrapped up in your stupid nerd turf wars.” — https://xkcd.com/743/ >

The lesson is open source needs to produce more accessible, usable software instead playing Cassandra

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Post by WarOnPrivacy »

dataflow wrote: post #192
WarOnPrivacy wrote: post #190

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> Yeah I can't make sense of this article easier. How is IPv6 supposed to solve this? I took it to mean he was discussing phones that are on IPv6 only networks.

Yeah but I'm asking how does that help? As the phone hops around, the IP address will change, whether it's v6 or v4. Are they expecting IPv6 will be stable no matter where in the world you travel?

A DDNS service seems like a trivial add-on to make this work.

I think the bigger issue is the number of mobile devices behind CGNAT.

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Post by _xivi »

troupe wrote: post #191
_xivi wrote: post #187

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Except, you don't own or control any of these sites or services. You're merely a tenant without any power. You're open for many threats outside your control: 1. Service shutdown 2. Price jacked up 3. Your account/instance terminated 4. Data abused And many more. It's almost guaranteed you'll basically be hold hostage at one point. So, if you're arguing against people having the ability to host on devices they own, yo…

Running a webserver on your phone incurs all the same issues plus it might be out of range or your phone might be off. So having a webserver on your phone is actually worse.

> Running a webserver on your phone incurs all the same issues

Huh, what? The issues I mentioned proceed from using services you don't own or have power over. How can I suffer from such issues on my own device?

> out of range or your phone might be off

and? If the owner is ok with that, where is the problem? Are people not permitted to walk because a car is faster?

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Post by ehutch79 »

devnullbrain wrote: post #196

It's very sad that a forum of self-styled hackers can not see the value in a personal website. Our image of what the web is and should be has been poisoned by 99.999% uptime cloud-hosted tat.

Uh, it’s not personal websites we’re talking about. It’s hosting them on public facing servers on your phone specifically

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Post by brutal_boi »

crazygringo wrote: post #5

Please no. Phones go into tunnels, run out of battery, and go indoors where there's a poor signal or none at all. They make terribly unreliable servers. Not to mention how much faster this would chew up battery life. If you want to keep a spare phone plugged in all the time in your closet, connected to Wifi/Ethernet, and hack it to be a webserver, then go ahead. But webservers on mobile devices, being used in a mobil…

I'm on the same boat with this.

We already have crappy written apps waking up devices on OEM software, last we need is random agents on the internet waking up our phones.

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Post by ehutch79 »

Nathan2055 wrote: post #156
solardev wrote: post #134

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Geocities, Tripod, MySpace, GoDaddy, WordPress, Blogger, Blogspot, SquareSpace... People just don't need or want this. Facebook has a network effect and shows you all your friends' posts. Having to visit fifty personal sites would be a pain.

> Having to visit fifty personal sites would be a pain. Which is why RSS (and Atom, but I’m just saying RSS because it’s less to type) was such a brilliant invention, and also why it was “killed.” Everyone is talking about things like “ActivityPub” and “interoperability” and “personalized algorithms” nowadays but RSS supported many of those features twenty years ago. Yeah, it didn’t solve the account portability prob…

Do normal people give a shit?

Like if you ask a cashier at McDonald’s, will they have any clue what you’re talking about?

Walk into an office. Ask the receptionist, are they going to care at all?

Do commenters on hacker news ever have conversations with the bulk of humanity in order to have any perspective?

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