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Re: Record labels hit Internet Archive with new copyright lawsuit

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Post by b59831 »

lotsoweiners wrote: post #162
cannabis_sam wrote: post #157

The ONLY reason these disgusting predators can colonize human cultural output like this is the antisocial, and tremendously stupid copyright laws enacted. It always makes me wonder why people want a tiny cartel of companies to own humanity’s music culture, and subsequently be able to bully companies like Spotify, Youtube and others into enforcing extrajudicial policies that maintain the cartel’s dominance. Like, seri…

Because normal people don’t care about “human cultural output” or “societal value” and think people who use those kinds of terms sound like blowhards. The rest of us just want reasonably cheap, convenient entertainment. Artists and others in the music biz want to get paid. Nothing here that is very hard to understand.

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Re: Record labels hit Internet Archive with new copyright lawsuit

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Post by whycome »

pixelatedindex wrote: post #163
whycome wrote: post #135

Whenever we hit upon copyright battles in the USA, I’m reminded that the national anthem steals its tune from a well established English drinking song. A drinking song — basically understood that it “belongs to everyone and is shared for when we collectively drink and be merry together”.

I had no idea! Would you be able to shed light on the name of the song?

Wiki

> Although it is often described as a "drinking song", Lichtenwanger states that "To Anacreon in Heaven" "was not a barroom ballad, a drinking ditty to be chorused with glasses swung in rhythm", but "convivial, ... in a special and stately way".

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Anacreontic_Song

So the “drinking song” description is challenged. But still…

Either way, the anthem is a remix. (From times when that was a part of extending our culture…)

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Contrafactum

Re: Record labels hit Internet Archive with new copyright lawsuit

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Post by qingcharles »

j0057 wrote: post #148

> The complaint states that when the 78rpm records were converted into digital files, IA reproduced copyrighted recordings without permission. When IA copied those files to a server, that amounted to another unauthorized reproduction, and when it transferred those copies to the public, yet another. That first step, making a digital copy of a copyrighted work, is not illegal to my knowledge of at least Dutch copyright…

Copyright in music is a nightmare. I used to work in this area, setting up one of the very first legal streaming services. There are about five different rights attached to each piece of music:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Music_licensing

(See also Taylor Swift re-recording all her own music)

Re: Record labels hit Internet Archive with new copyright lawsuit

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Post by qingcharles »

Can anyone find anywhere on the IA where they explain the process they are using to archive these 78s?

They have a brief link to Audacity if you want to do it yourself, but no-one do they explain their process for doing it themselves. Very opaque :(

Re: Record labels hit Internet Archive with new copyright lawsuit

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Post by uni_rule »

lotsoweiners wrote: post #162
cannabis_sam wrote: post #157

The ONLY reason these disgusting predators can colonize human cultural output like this is the antisocial, and tremendously stupid copyright laws enacted. It always makes me wonder why people want a tiny cartel of companies to own humanity’s music culture, and subsequently be able to bully companies like Spotify, Youtube and others into enforcing extrajudicial policies that maintain the cartel’s dominance. Like, seri…

Because normal people don’t care about “human cultural output” or “societal value” and think people who use those kinds of terms sound like blowhards. The rest of us just want reasonably cheap, convenient entertainment. Artists and others in the music biz want to get paid. Nothing here that is very hard to understand.

This point would work better if the vast majority of artists actually were paid well.

Re: Record labels hit Internet Archive with new copyright lawsuit

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Post by t0mas88 »

bluelu wrote: post #145
t0mas88 wrote: post #110

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They can relocate that part to the Netherlands. Copying without public distribution is explicitly legal, and all storage media and smartphones carry a "tax" that's given to the rights holders to compensate them for this. For a long time downloading was legal (uploading wasn't), due to this. But it has changed sometime in the last decade. While the tax is still there and mandatory, so the copyright-lobbyists won on pa…

You are completely mistaken That fee only covers general piracy. It does not give you the right to copy copyrighted works. In fact, european copyright is much stricter than US copyright. There is no fair use and european copyright (based on the napoleon code) forbids making a copy of copyrighted works except for a few exceptions specifically mentioned in the law (eg a browser displaying a webpage, etc...).

It is called the "thuiskopieer heffing" which is literally the "home copy tax". Making a non commercial copy of a copyrighted work at home (not distribute it) is absolutely legal in the Netherlands.

The fee is not about piracy at all, it's about legal home copies that are not distributed.

Re: Record labels hit Internet Archive with new copyright lawsuit

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Post by uni_rule »

vGPU wrote: post #149
EMIRELADERO wrote: post #141

Earlier quoted context omitted.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MAI_Systems_Corp._v._Peak_Comp... .

Hence, congress passed a law: (a) Making of Additional Copy or Adaptation by Owner of Copy.—Notwithstanding the provisions of section 106, it is not an infringement for the owner of a copy of a computer program to make or authorize the making of another copy or adaptation of that computer program provided: (1) that such a new copy or adaptation is created as an essential step in the utilization of the computer progra…

Imagine how bad a judicial take has to be for Congress to actually get up off their hands and legislate about in the current year.

Re: Record labels hit Internet Archive with new copyright lawsuit

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Post by isykt »

If IA is dismantled, and doesn’t manage to survive on its Canadian or other outposts, historians will look back on its destruction with disdain. Cultural heritage destroyed so corporate stooges can afford another yacht or whatever.

The only way to fight this is to pirate the fuck out of everything. Seriously. Fuck DRM, fuck gatekeepers, free information NOW and ALWAYS.

Re: Record labels hit Internet Archive with new copyright lawsuit

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Post by amelius »

isykt wrote: post #178

If IA is dismantled, and doesn’t manage to survive on its Canadian or other outposts, historians will look back on its destruction with disdain. Cultural heritage destroyed so corporate stooges can afford another yacht or whatever. The only way to fight this is to pirate the fuck out of everything. Seriously. Fuck DRM, fuck gatekeepers, free information NOW and ALWAYS.

Or run IA like SciHub.

Re: Record labels hit Internet Archive with new copyright lawsuit

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Post by toomuchtodo »

jtode wrote: post #154
rovr138 wrote: post #45

Earlier quoted context omitted.

explain?

I'm also quite interested in the source of their peace of mind. It might be that they're already involved in that project and it's flush with space and distribution; the message here might just be "we got this". Or it might be "don't worry, corporate feudalism is great."

Thoughts and opinions my own. No affiliation with the Internet Archive.

It is my belief that libraries and repositories of culture must (not may or shall, must) be built in a manner where they can’t be burned. They require durable, persistent, fault and human tolerant foundational systems (technology and otherwise) that exhibit the features of a Ulysses Pact, protecting the future from the present; from greed, from savagery, from disaster, from deterioration (regardless of source). I hope this clarifies my position on the topic.

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