Live data from Hacker News

Record labels hit Internet Archive with new copyright lawsuit

torrentfreak.com

71–80 of 290 posts

Re: Record labels hit Internet Archive with new copyright lawsuit

#71
post #58

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Copyright should be life of the authors full stop. My dad dug ditches for half his life but I don’t get checks in the mail every time water flows through them.

Author’s life is too long. Surely, 20 years is far sufficient to incentivize creating media, although I would err on the side of 10 years. The copyright term is automatically too long if my anyone who would benefit from it entering the public domain is dead.

I think (but could be convinced otherwise) that the term is less important than the restrictions. More liberal definitions of fair use, for example, or clarity on when something is a copy or a derivative (like with people getting sued for vaguely similar songs) would be better. The work is always the authors, I'm less concerned about them retaining some kind of claim on it, especially if they're still actively using it, as long as there's sensible limitations on what rights they can block for others.

Re: Record labels hit Internet Archive with new copyright lawsuit

#72
post #58

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Copyright should be life of the authors full stop. My dad dug ditches for half his life but I don’t get checks in the mail every time water flows through them.

Author’s life is too long. Surely, 20 years is far sufficient to incentivize creating media, although I would err on the side of 10 years. The copyright term is automatically too long if my anyone who would benefit from it entering the public domain is dead.

I would be satisfied with 20 years for commercial use of recordings, zero years – or simply no actual enforcement of copyright – for personal filesharing. Filesharers deeply passionate about music are likely to collect a larger library of recordings than they could ever afford to purchase, especially if they come from a relatively poor country. (No, streaming services like Spotify don’t do it. As far as I’m concerned, if it’s not a FLAC securely preserved on my hard drive and backups, it doesn’t really exist.)

Re: Record labels hit Internet Archive with new copyright lawsuit

#73
post #12
post #5

What is the best way to let these greedy bastards know that we disagree with their conduct? Not buying records will only lead to them wrongfully claiming that they "lost revenue due to piracy".

Stop voting in capitalistic assholes who value intelectual and property rights over everything else.

The only way to start on this path is to support ranked choice voting.

Re: Record labels hit Internet Archive with new copyright lawsuit

#74
post #58
post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

[flagged]

Copyright should be life of the authors full stop. My dad dug ditches for half his life but I don’t get checks in the mail every time water flows through them.

That’s because the contract he signed with his employers did not include an agreement where he continued to get paid for when water flowed through the ditches.

Some artists will have a contract for a lump sum, others will have agreements for every time their record is played.

Re: Record labels hit Internet Archive with new copyright lawsuit

#75

So the internet archive is knowing distributing media still under copyright? Is this not a slam dunk win for the record labels? Sounds like the internet archive officially made recordings available for download.

They were flaunting copyright laws with books even more egregiously and lost that suit. I think the IA is a deeply important project and wish they'd stop picking these fights.

Re: Record labels hit Internet Archive with new copyright lawsuit

#76
post #27

> “When Defendants exploit Plaintiffs’ sound recordings without authorization, neither Plaintiffs nor their artists see a dime. All of the artists are dead. > Not only does this harm Plaintiffs and the artists or their heirs by depriving them of compensation, Hereditary wealth and continued rent-seeking is a very, very poor argument in favor of eternal copyright protection. > but it undermines the value of music,” th…

[flagged]

If AI destroys anyone it would be the artists, since labels with distribution networks could use it to create content without ever needing to pay anyone.

The Internet should have taught us that if there is a portal the owner of that portal and the network effect around it has all the power.

Look at Twitter. Half its users hate its new management and spend much of their time there complaining about it, but they are still using it. Why? Because people are still using it.

Re: Record labels hit Internet Archive with new copyright lawsuit

#77
post #58
post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

[flagged]

Copyright should be life of the authors full stop. My dad dug ditches for half his life but I don’t get checks in the mail every time water flows through them.

Well, should be capped by life of the author.

Re: Record labels hit Internet Archive with new copyright lawsuit

#78
post #22
post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> The movie and music business sure spends a lot of money fighting piracy. If they spent it on providing a no-bullshit, reasonably priced platform that provides access to their whole catalog, then they would be making a lot more money than they would from lawsuits, and piracy would be virtually non-existent.

Most people pirate to get stuff for free. If everything was cheaply, easily available, piracy would exist at similar numbers. Now, I do agree that “one pirate number doesn’t necessarily equate to one lost sale”. But that’s not what you’re arguing. Pirates have been saying this for decades, and yet despite content being easier than ever, with pricing falling faster than ever (non-streaming services), piracy is as heal…

> Most people pirate to get stuff for free. If everything was cheaply, easily available, piracy would exist at similar numbers.

As the other poster mentioned, the music piracy scene today is a shadow of its old self. There has never again been a private tracker as vast and ambitious as what.cd. Seed numbers are down on lots of remaining trackers. I logged into Soulseek recently (which used to be the obsessive music anorak’s filesharing network) and I can’t find all kinds of things that were widely shared a decade ago.

A lot of this is due to the rise of Spotify as a more convenient means of listening. It is also due to so many young people today using their phone as their sole device, which is not very suitable for torrenting and other types of filesharing.

Re: Record labels hit Internet Archive with new copyright lawsuit

#80
post #5

What is the best way to let these greedy bastards know that we disagree with their conduct? Not buying records will only lead to them wrongfully claiming that they "lost revenue due to piracy".

How? Set up your own record label and implement your wish list of better terms. If you're reading hacker news, there's a good chance you can do most of the coding for free/stock/spec. Then you can be like totally cool about piracy and drink all of the kool aid about how piracy is just a different form of promotion. My guess is that you'll come to the same conclusion as me: piracy destroys marketplaces. It forces the…

> The IA is on a crash course to destroy the livlihood of artists, writers and other content creators

Every single artist mentioned by name here has long since passed away, and in some cases even their children have passed away.

Post reply on HN