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Re: Record labels hit Internet Archive with new copyright lawsuit

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Post by drewbug01 »

> “When Defendants exploit Plaintiffs’ sound recordings without authorization, neither Plaintiffs nor their artists see a dime.

All of the artists are dead.

> Not only does this harm Plaintiffs and the artists or their heirs by depriving them of compensation,

Hereditary wealth and continued rent-seeking is a very, very poor argument in favor of eternal copyright protection.

> but it undermines the value of music,” the complaint adds.

Music has inherent value and worth that can never be quantified or monetized.

Honestly, screw the record labels. We can argue about the technicalities of copyright law until the cows come home, but this suit is morally disgusting to me.

Re: Record labels hit Internet Archive with new copyright lawsuit

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Post by wredue »

naasking wrote: post #9
staplers wrote: post #3

The movie and music business sure spends a lot of money fighting piracy. This fruitless endeavor draws a lot of parallels with the war on drugs.

> The movie and music business sure spends a lot of money fighting piracy. If they spent it on providing a no-bullshit, reasonably priced platform that provides access to their whole catalog, then they would be making a lot more money than they would from lawsuits, and piracy would be virtually non-existent.

Most people pirate to get stuff for free. If everything was cheaply, easily available, piracy would exist at similar numbers.

Now, I do agree that “one pirate number doesn’t necessarily equate to one lost sale”. But that’s not what you’re arguing.

Pirates have been saying this for decades, and yet despite content being easier than ever, with pricing falling faster than ever (non-streaming services), piracy is as healthy as ever. If what you were saying is true, you’d expect piracy to have fallen as different people’s barriers for “cheap and easy” were broken through, but that’s not what’s observed.

Re: Record labels hit Internet Archive with new copyright lawsuit

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Post by ghaff »

ApolloFortyNine wrote: post #13

So the internet archive is knowing distributing media still under copyright? Is this not a slam dunk win for the record labels? Sounds like the internet archive officially made recordings available for download.

The Internet Archive (including the Wayback Machine) basically exists in a legal Gray area (to be generous) that has mostly depended on not doing things (or undoing things) that caught someone's attention who was willing to actually take some action about it. For the most part, the IA doesn't have any more special status than you or I if we were to mirror someone's website or create a comic strip museum.

A lot of what they make available arguably shouldn't be protected by copyright under a rational copyright regime but that's an argument to make to Congress rather than saying the IA can do whatever feels justified to them. (Which can cut both ways once you say the law is whatever you personally think is fair.)

Re: Record labels hit Internet Archive with new copyright lawsuit

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Post by iforgotpassword »

xhkkffbf wrote: post #10
vaylian wrote: post #5

What is the best way to let these greedy bastards know that we disagree with their conduct? Not buying records will only lead to them wrongfully claiming that they "lost revenue due to piracy".

How? Set up your own record label and implement your wish list of better terms. If you're reading hacker news, there's a good chance you can do most of the coding for free/stock/spec. Then you can be like totally cool about piracy and drink all of the kool aid about how piracy is just a different form of promotion. My guess is that you'll come to the same conclusion as me: piracy destroys marketplaces. It forces the…

There's more between "being cool with piracy" and "thinking copyright should hold indefinitely". This is about 78rpm records ffs. All the artists are probably dead by now.

Re: Record labels hit Internet Archive with new copyright lawsuit

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Post by williamtrask »

izzydata wrote: post #24
hunters_laptop wrote: post #11

internet archive should move their server/business to china or russia so these greedy companies more hard to touch them

We need servers in space. I wonder if the latency would be good or bad.

...huh... there's an idea

Would just routing the data via starlink be good enough? (if you could hide the original location)

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Post by echelon »

drewbug01 wrote: post #21

> “When Defendants exploit Plaintiffs’ sound recordings without authorization, neither Plaintiffs nor their artists see a dime. All of the artists are dead. > Not only does this harm Plaintiffs and the artists or their heirs by depriving them of compensation, Hereditary wealth and continued rent-seeking is a very, very poor argument in favor of eternal copyright protection. > but it undermines the value of music,” th…

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Re: Record labels hit Internet Archive with new copyright lawsuit

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Post by dumpsterlid »

drewbug01 wrote: post #21

> “When Defendants exploit Plaintiffs’ sound recordings without authorization, neither Plaintiffs nor their artists see a dime. All of the artists are dead. > Not only does this harm Plaintiffs and the artists or their heirs by depriving them of compensation, Hereditary wealth and continued rent-seeking is a very, very poor argument in favor of eternal copyright protection. > but it undermines the value of music,” th…

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Re: Record labels hit Internet Archive with new copyright lawsuit

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Post by realusername »

al2o3cr wrote: post #2

Shorter RIAA: "We stole these recordings with bullshit contracts decades ago, who are YOU to interfere with that????!!!!" You can see their point, though: obviously Frank Sinatra wouldn't have even bothered recording in the 1950s if he knew that a quarter-century after his death his record company might not make every available cent in profit. /s

I love how they always talk about the poor artists which cannot make new songs due to piracy and then they chose to enforce rights on ... Sinatra and a bunch of other long dead artists who will never make a single new song.

Re: Record labels hit Internet Archive with new copyright lawsuit

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Post by bongobingo1 »

jareklupinski wrote: post #8
al2o3cr wrote: post #2

Shorter RIAA: "We stole these recordings with bullshit contracts decades ago, who are YOU to interfere with that????!!!!" You can see their point, though: obviously Frank Sinatra wouldn't have even bothered recording in the 1950s if he knew that a quarter-century after his death his record company might not make every available cent in profit. /s

he might have done it anyway, if he knew what engineers were going to do with those recordings a half century later: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EDOQ-y87YnE

What a rabbit hole to fall down.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HyfQVZHmArA

> Humans doing the hard jobs on minimum wage while the robots write poetry and paint is not the future I wanted

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