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Re: Our fight is far from over

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Post by renewiltord »

endgame wrote: post #30
endisneigh wrote: post #10

IMHO they were very dumb to do the emergency lending nonsense to begin with. A good example of letting ideology walk you past the cliff. Even if they’re successful against the injunction the damage has been done. Given how tenuous online lending is already, it was naive to push the boundary further. I feel a similar ideological gap is slowly growing in the treatment of data surrounding generative AI.

I was utterly flabbergasted by this move. If some unrelated entity had done some bold move in the digital lending space, that would be one thing, but IA is a single point of failure for large amounts of internet history. Frankly, it was completely idiotic to risk all that on an untested lending experiment.

If I’m being honest, none of you would have made the archive happen. Presumably, you would have been troubled by the copyright implications. The kind of person who does that would probably also do this. There is no perfect stopping point. Everyone fantasizes that they would have sold GME at the top, run a business to the point it was at its best and no farther, and pushed a law to bend only as far as it can.

The evidence is in the action. The archives are available yet none of you even host a mirror of this supposed treasure. Of course you are flabbergasted: you would have been flabbergasted anyway. What use is the surprise of the peanut gallery?

Re: Our fight is far from over

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Post by deely3 »

Nas808 wrote: post #4

This is about the "National Emergency Library" they launched during the peak of the COVID pandemic? I think they had good intentions, but the legality around it was definitely questionable from the start.

> legality around it was definitely questionable from the start.

Can I cite old argument that "If someone invents book libraries now, they will be completely illegal."?

Re: Our fight is far from over

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Post by throwaway2990 »

cristoperb wrote: post #12
throwaway2990 wrote: post #8

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Here's a press release from the ALA on the recent increase in book challenges: https://www.ala.org/news/press-releases/2022/09/ala-releases... > Between January 1 and August 31, 2022, ALA documented 681 attempts to ban or restrict library resources, and 1,651 unique titles were targeted. In 2021, ALA reported 729 attempts to censor library resources, targeting 1,597 books, which represented the highest number of atte…

Thanks. I would love to see a list to see if it’s like “this book is really bad” or “my feelings are hurt so I don’t want this book”

Because it’s mind boggling that adults can get so upset to react in such a way they need to ruin things for everyone else just cos there’s something they don’t like.

Re: Our fight is far from over

#54

Post by throwaway2990 »

usr1106 wrote: post #38
Minor49er wrote: post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Libraries and schools have been adopting books that depict graphic sexual acts. These books are targeted at minors and parents are demanding their removal. Rightly so

I saw graphic sexual acts in schoolbooks and children books at the age of ten 50 years ago. In Europe, not US. I doubt that it has impacted my mental health, my development or anything else. It's a fact that the US has more teenage pregnancies and more porn production than most European countries. It appears to me that the "Me too" problem is bigger in the US. So parents asking for removal of such books don't do anyt…

I had books at school teaching sexual education but nothing like the explicit pornographic stuff they have now. Nothing teaching anal sex or male/male or female/female. Nothing trying teaching kids to hide things from their parents.

Some of the books today are absolutely disgusting. The old books are tame.

Re: Our fight is far from over

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Post by throwaway2990 »

mynameisvlad wrote: post #23
throwaway2990 wrote: post #8

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> other than not allowing some books in schools So… book bans. You saw book bans and somehow thought they weren’t that?

No. There hasn’t been book banning at schools. So far all that has been removed is non age appropriate books. I.e not allowing super explicit borderline porno books in schools. Books that are totally fine for an adult but not for a child.

Re: Our fight is far from over

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Post by AshamedCaptain »

endgame wrote: post #30
endisneigh wrote: post #10

IMHO they were very dumb to do the emergency lending nonsense to begin with. A good example of letting ideology walk you past the cliff. Even if they’re successful against the injunction the damage has been done. Given how tenuous online lending is already, it was naive to push the boundary further. I feel a similar ideological gap is slowly growing in the treatment of data surrounding generative AI.

I was utterly flabbergasted by this move. If some unrelated entity had done some bold move in the digital lending space, that would be one thing, but IA is a single point of failure for large amounts of internet history. Frankly, it was completely idiotic to risk all that on an untested lending experiment.

I agree. I don't understand why the IA seem to be continuously poking the limits of what's acceptable or not, when their core mission is already complicated enough copyright-law-wise.

They are one big lawsuit away from being possibly forced to shut the _entire_ archiving operation down, and yet they continuously prod all the entities that are likely to serve them such a lawsuit. I cannot but have this picture of a small dog barking at a pack of huge dogs. And then they'll cry and make a fuss and claim they are the victims when they are inevitably sued.

Exempli gratia: https://archive.org/search?query=office+2019

Why. Just why they risk everything by being yet-another file sharing site that is full of pirated software?

Re: Our fight is far from over

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Post by Macha »

throwaway2990 wrote: post #55
mynameisvlad wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> other than not allowing some books in schools So… book bans. You saw book bans and somehow thought they weren’t that?

No. There hasn’t been book banning at schools. So far all that has been removed is non age appropriate books. I.e not allowing super explicit borderline porno books in schools. Books that are totally fine for an adult but not for a child.

How dare those teen romance novels feature LGBT characters? Glad we agree the Bible is not safe for kids though.

(or perhaps the bans are a bit more widespread than porn)

Re: Our fight is far from over

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Post by Macha »

throwaway2990 wrote: post #54
usr1106 wrote: post #38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I saw graphic sexual acts in schoolbooks and children books at the age of ten 50 years ago. In Europe, not US. I doubt that it has impacted my mental health, my development or anything else. It's a fact that the US has more teenage pregnancies and more porn production than most European countries. It appears to me that the "Me too" problem is bigger in the US. So parents asking for removal of such books don't do anyt…

I had books at school teaching sexual education but nothing like the explicit pornographic stuff they have now. Nothing teaching anal sex or male/male or female/female. Nothing trying teaching kids to hide things from their parents. Some of the books today are absolutely disgusting. The old books are tame.

Why is male/male and female/female in a sex ed book explicit but male/female is not?

Re: Our fight is far from over

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Post by throwaway2990 »

Macha wrote: post #57
throwaway2990 wrote: post #55

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No. There hasn’t been book banning at schools. So far all that has been removed is non age appropriate books. I.e not allowing super explicit borderline porno books in schools. Books that are totally fine for an adult but not for a child.

How dare those teen romance novels feature LGBT characters? Glad we agree the Bible is not safe for kids though. (or perhaps the bans are a bit more widespread than porn)

I disagree with religious indoctrination just as much as I disagree with having books aimed at very young children saying:

> "From six and up, I used to kiss other guys in my neighborhood, make out with them, and perform oral sex on them. I liked it. I used to love oral. And I touched their you-know-whats... Guys used to hit on me - perverts - pedophiles."

This I don’t care about if an adult is reading an autobiography or something. But telling a child that this is acceptable? If you think this is acceptable then you’re a sick sick person.

Re: Our fight is far from over

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Post by throwaway2990 »

Macha wrote: post #58
throwaway2990 wrote: post #54

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I had books at school teaching sexual education but nothing like the explicit pornographic stuff they have now. Nothing teaching anal sex or male/male or female/female. Nothing trying teaching kids to hide things from their parents. Some of the books today are absolutely disgusting. The old books are tame.

Why is male/male and female/female in a sex ed book explicit but male/female is not?

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