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Re: I feel like I made a mistake investing professionally into Flutter

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littlecranky67 wrote: post #20
tkiolp4 wrote: post #15

I don’t buy it. As software developers we learn technologies for breakfast. We learn them, and then we forget them. We recollect the wisdom gained and apply it in our next gig using a different technology. It works for mobile development, for frontend, for backend, for infra, for almost anything. I have worked for years with PHP, Apache, Ansible and MySQL. Nowadays not anymore. And in 7 years I’ll be using something…

I agree, but unfortunately hiring managers, recruiter etc. don't think like this. If you happen to find a person that is tech-savy, they can asses your true skillsets and capabilitiy of solving problems. Hiring managers and recruiter match buzzwords in your CV. I recently got rejected for a project from an agency (am a contractor) because I did not have provable skills or knowledge in "CI/CD". Stupid me, made the mis…

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Re: I feel like I made a mistake investing professionally into Flutter

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Post by scarface_74 »

tkiolp4 wrote: post #15

I don’t buy it. As software developers we learn technologies for breakfast. We learn them, and then we forget them. We recollect the wisdom gained and apply it in our next gig using a different technology. It works for mobile development, for frontend, for backend, for infra, for almost anything. I have worked for years with PHP, Apache, Ansible and MySQL. Nowadays not anymore. And in 7 years I’ll be using something…

Yes because I know Java (hypothetically I haven’t touched Java since two years after it was introduced) I can become an efficient Android developer “in a few days”.

Better yet, since I did Windows CE development for ruggedized devices using C# Compact framework back between 2007-2010, I should have no problem picking up iOS development “in a few days” and start being a productive member of a team right? Or better yet, leading a team?

Third thing, I know the fundamentals of web development including JavaScript, HTML and CSS. But I haven’t done anything on the front end since 2012. Are you going to hire me to help create your website when you’re looking for a modern web developer?

Learning a language is easy. Modern development requires knowing the toolchain framework, idiosyncrasies, foot guns, best practices, etc.

These days, I am only looking for jobs where I have some type of team lead/architect position. Are you going to hire me to lead a team working on a 10 year old complicated Java app when all of my “enterprise” experience is in the .Net ecosystem?

On another note: I haven’t randomly submitted my job to an ATS worrying about an “HR” screen since 2008 across 5 jobs. I’ve always either reached out to my network or had someone reach out to me.

Re: I feel like I made a mistake investing professionally into Flutter

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Post by nailer »

rvz wrote: post #6
merrvk wrote: post #4

You could say this about any Google technology.

I know right? Just like Golang, Kubernetes, Chrome APIs, etc /s

I’m not sure why sarcasm is needed. Go lost to Rust as the mainstream safe systems language, k8s is a meme for wasted engineering resources, obviously Dart/Dash failed in its intention to replace JavaScript (I don’t know what ‘Chrome APIs’ are).

Re: I feel like I made a mistake investing professionally into Flutter

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Post by scarface_74 »

demarq wrote: post #21
tkiolp4 wrote: post #15

I don’t buy it. As software developers we learn technologies for breakfast. We learn them, and then we forget them. We recollect the wisdom gained and apply it in our next gig using a different technology. It works for mobile development, for frontend, for backend, for infra, for almost anything. I have worked for years with PHP, Apache, Ansible and MySQL. Nowadays not anymore. And in 7 years I’ll be using something…

Absolutely, I feel I could be employed tomorrow in a language or stack that I haven’t even heard of and start being productive by the end of the week! I seriously think you owe it to yourself to practice learning something new every week. It often takes one afternoon to get a “taste” and small side project to get beyond that. Every programming language. Is literally just a template for instructions, and every technol…

So could you be a productive iOS/Android developer in a week with no previous experience?

Re: I feel like I made a mistake investing professionally into Flutter

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Post by manfre »

tkiolp4 wrote: post #24
littlecranky67 wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I agree, but unfortunately hiring managers, recruiter etc. don't think like this. If you happen to find a person that is tech-savy, they can asses your true skillsets and capabilitiy of solving problems. Hiring managers and recruiter match buzzwords in your CV. I recently got rejected for a project from an agency (am a contractor) because I did not have provable skills or knowledge in "CI/CD". Stupid me, made the mis…

> Hiring managers and recruiter match buzzwords in your CV So? You put those buzzwords in your CV. What’s difficult about that? You feel like being dishonest? If so, again, just explain in the next stage of the interview (with real engineers) that you do have real world experience in similar but not exactly the same technologies listed in your CV. You just did so to pass through HR. Not a big deal (as long as you’re…

Blatantly lying on the CV is an instant rejection at the places I've worked. It's one thing to stretch your contributions on past projects, but to outright lie about the technologies used is a huge red flag. It's easy to teach a person the company tech stack, but I'm not sure it's possible (or worthwhile) to try and teach some one to be honest.

Re: I feel like I made a mistake investing professionally into Flutter

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Post by scarface_74 »

PedroBatista wrote: post #9

Obviously I feel the pain of the OP but I think he blames the wrong thing. Flutter is a ( viable ) technology that’s being growing for the last few years. A very significant percentage of new mobile apps are programmed with it these days. It seems his problems have everything to do with the local job market and not the technology. With the added bonus that you can be a single man operation and release your own apps f…

As long as you don’t include in that number - most apps built by Google.

Re: I feel like I made a mistake investing professionally into Flutter

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Post by shipscode »

tkiolp4 wrote: post #15

I don’t buy it. As software developers we learn technologies for breakfast. We learn them, and then we forget them. We recollect the wisdom gained and apply it in our next gig using a different technology. It works for mobile development, for frontend, for backend, for infra, for almost anything. I have worked for years with PHP, Apache, Ansible and MySQL. Nowadays not anymore. And in 7 years I’ll be using something…

Oh come on. Language specific knowledge is a game changer in programming speed & efficiency. Likewise the level of effort to understand modern React concepts has gone way up.

Deep React specialization is a great way to get most tech jobs. Some interviewers literally just want to see if you can use hooks in a solution. Applying a learners mindset in the middle of an interview comes off as amateur.

Learn the tech stack you’ll use on the job. It’ll get you tons of mid grade offers.

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