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Re: Kevin Rose Will Join Google

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post #58

Earlier quoted context omitted.

He was the CEO when Digg v4 was released and was one of the driving forces behind it. Digg v4 was the dagger that killed Digg.

Banning anyone who mentioned a certain number didn't help much either. Digg's policies were terrible long before v4 came out. Edit: 09 F9 11 02 9D 74 E3 5B D8 41 56 C5 63 56 88 C0

iirc that policy was reversed within a day or two and there was no major exodus from digg as a result of the event

Re: Kevin Rose Will Join Google

#92
I think the term everyone here is looking for is "overrated". If you really think he is, stop talking about him and go on with your business. You're giving him the attention that you claim he doesn't deserve.

Re: Kevin Rose Will Join Google

#93
post #53

Sorry if this sounds harsh, and I know he has a lot of fans out there. But this guy struck gold 5 years ago with Digg. Sure, he deserves props for this. However, he's not a developer. He's an "ideas guy" as far as I can tell. As a developer, I hate these kinds of people because more often than not their ideas suck. In any case, what I am saying is that it seems like people in the industry get by based on one previous…

To quote pg: "A hacker who has learned what to make, and not just how to make, is extraordinarily powerful." As a developer, it is frustrating to see fellow developers place too much importance on being able to code as a necessary ingredient for startup success. As a hacker, I'd say that most hackers know how to make, but don't know what to make. That is to say, most startups from these type of hackers with the "if I…

I completely agree.

Even better, learn to both hack and hustle. That is truly where the magic happens.

Re: Kevin Rose Will Join Google

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Sorry if this sounds harsh, and I know he has a lot of fans out there. But this guy struck gold 5 years ago with Digg. Sure, he deserves props for this. However, he's not a developer. He's an "ideas guy" as far as I can tell. As a developer, I hate these kinds of people because more often than not their ideas suck. In any case, what I am saying is that it seems like people in the industry get by based on one previous…

There's a distinction to be made between "idea guys" and "product people". You're criticizing "idea guys", while it seems that Kevin Rose might be more of a product person. The "idea guy" is the guy who comes to a developer and start with "I've got this great idea for an app…", thinks it's genius but never dives down to all the details of said-app. A product person might or might not know how to code but s/he will(/s…

I agree that knowing how to code is not utmost necessary. But don't you think it's highly important and, at least,very close to necessary? An idea/product guy will never come up with a solution he didn't know was technically viable. So his pool of solutions is more limited than that of a hacker. He'll also waste time overthinking ideas that are not technically viable. So he's not as efficient.

You don't need both legs to run a marathon. But it's so important to have them both. That it's no coincidence that every great runner has them both.

Re: Kevin Rose Will Join Google

#95
post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't want to be some sort of Kevin Rose defender in this thread, but I don't think it's fair to say that he just "had an idea". He had an idea and spent years working on it, iterating and improving until Digg finally hit the big time. I think he deserves credit for that. As a developer, I agree that some "ideas guys" suck. But some of them are fantastic, and have a huge talent in taking a core concept and fleshing…

He had an idea and spent years working on it, iterating and improving until Digg finally hit the big time Um he had an idea, paid someone to build it (ojbyrne on HN). Promoted it on air in his role at TechTV and had it take off. Its not like he toiled in his basement for years slaving over it. (Though he did seem to spend a lot of time on it once it became his day job, I don't want to discredit that) You can also say…

Um he had an idea, paid someone to build it (ojbyrne on HN). Promoted it on air in his role at TechTV and had it take off.

Right, so he made it a success.

I just find it disheartening sometimes that developers (and I am one) seem to think that good code is all that matters. It isn't. You can have the most functional, highly-tuned web site in the world and have no-one use it.

Even if Kevin Rose is nothing but a giant hype machine then he deserves credit for being a giant hype machine. Digg would have failed if he wasn't.

Re: Kevin Rose Will Join Google

#96
post #58

Earlier quoted context omitted.

He was the CEO when Digg v4 was released and was one of the driving forces behind it. Digg v4 was the dagger that killed Digg.

Banning anyone who mentioned a certain number didn't help much either. Digg's policies were terrible long before v4 came out. Edit: 09 F9 11 02 9D 74 E3 5B D8 41 56 C5 63 56 88 C0

Ah, what a day that was.

Re: Kevin Rose Will Join Google

#97
post #53

Sorry if this sounds harsh, and I know he has a lot of fans out there. But this guy struck gold 5 years ago with Digg. Sure, he deserves props for this. However, he's not a developer. He's an "ideas guy" as far as I can tell. As a developer, I hate these kinds of people because more often than not their ideas suck. In any case, what I am saying is that it seems like people in the industry get by based on one previous…

To quote pg: "A hacker who has learned what to make, and not just how to make, is extraordinarily powerful." As a developer, it is frustrating to see fellow developers place too much importance on being able to code as a necessary ingredient for startup success. As a hacker, I'd say that most hackers know how to make, but don't know what to make. That is to say, most startups from these type of hackers with the "if I…

Sometimes there may be obstacles to what you propose. Being good at networking etc. is basically a performance skill that doesn't just depend on mindset, but also on good looks, race/culture, age, sex, general likability or other external factors. This is not mentioned often, and I might be wrong but I think it is a factor, despite the fact that the startup world presents itself as the ultimate meritocracy.

Re: Kevin Rose Will Join Google

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

> He had an idea and spent years working on it, iterating and improving until Digg finally hit the big time. I think he deserves credit for that. I don't think anyone has argued against this. He does deserve credit for this. The problem is that he has been given too much credit. I.E. that there were far more ideas of the same caliber. I am sure this must have been tough on him, to fail at producing again like the ear…

This is the wrong storyline. Reddit didn't evolve from Digg. They started around the same timeframe and it was as much Mac/PC in terms of fanboyishness. Reddit won because of the power of subreddits and capturing the long tail for content and communities. What's out of touch with your story is that Digg users thought Reddit's UX was horrifying and avoided it like the plague. Even to this day without enhancement suite…

And Digg 4.0 was a more complicated attempt to solve the long tail problem, by creating personalized sub-reddits essentially.

Re: Kevin Rose Will Join Google

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

> He had an idea and spent years working on it, iterating and improving until Digg finally hit the big time. I think he deserves credit for that. I don't think anyone has argued against this. He does deserve credit for this. The problem is that he has been given too much credit. I.E. that there were far more ideas of the same caliber. I am sure this must have been tough on him, to fail at producing again like the ear…

This is the wrong storyline. Reddit didn't evolve from Digg. They started around the same timeframe and it was as much Mac/PC in terms of fanboyishness. Reddit won because of the power of subreddits and capturing the long tail for content and communities. What's out of touch with your story is that Digg users thought Reddit's UX was horrifying and avoided it like the plague. Even to this day without enhancement suite…

I was not trying to imply reddit evolved FROM digg. (I have been using all three sites since their inception - starting with /. in 1997, I am familiar with their history).

I am saying the IDEA of social content sites evolved from one, to the next, to the next.

As I mentioned, it is not about UI, or content, it was about UX!

The UX that digg had, especially in V4 wrapped too much UI around the content resulting in a poor UX!

Reddit, while seemingly ugly - allowed for far faster and more fluid consumption of the content. It also left more control over what content users wanted.

>It's very much Linux terminally compared to Digg's Mac

I think you're putting too much weight on the shiny.

I think anyone would agree that the speed and agility one gets on a CLI (linux) vs any GUI when you're a savvy user is incomparable.

Finally, I am not jaded/bitter because Kevin Rose got 1.7MM -- I am jaded bitter that anyone would get 1.7MM and so nonchalantly walk away from it AFTER making the types of comments he did.

I think I just have a different perspective than you, I also think you believe I am focusing on things which I am not. :)

Re: Kevin Rose Will Join Google

#100
post #95

Earlier quoted context omitted.

He had an idea and spent years working on it, iterating and improving until Digg finally hit the big time Um he had an idea, paid someone to build it (ojbyrne on HN). Promoted it on air in his role at TechTV and had it take off. Its not like he toiled in his basement for years slaving over it. (Though he did seem to spend a lot of time on it once it became his day job, I don't want to discredit that) You can also say…

Um he had an idea, paid someone to build it (ojbyrne on HN). Promoted it on air in his role at TechTV and had it take off. Right, so he made it a success. I just find it disheartening sometimes that developers (and I am one) seem to think that good code is all that matters. It isn't. You can have the most functional, highly-tuned web site in the world and have no-one use it. Even if Kevin Rose is nothing but a giant…

Knowing that Digg succeeded because a 'giant hype machine' isn't the same as knowing that it would have failed without it.
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