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Re: Zero Motorcycles makes its service manuals free

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Post by JumpinJack_Cash »

serf wrote: post #13
JumpinJack_Cash wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They are going nowhere. Electric motorcycles are a terrible idea because they are not the problem as far as emission go. Given the ratio between the weight of the motorcycle and the weight of the passenger/s they are extemely efficient, having the whole passenger vehicles switch to motorcycles would be even better than have them switch to 3000 pounds EVs. The vast majority of people are too coward to drive them unfor…

>The vast majority of people are too coward to drive them unfortunately you could frame regular motorcycles the same way. i'm not sure 'coward' is the right word either given the statistics. >Electric motorcycles are a terrible idea because they are not the problem as far as emission go. people aren't only into EVs for the environmental aspects; they're unique and offer a unique experience.

> > people aren't only into EVs for the environmental aspects; they're unique and offer a unique experience.

Automotive is a 150yr old industry, you will not re-invent the wheel. Progress has plateued in the 1970-80s as far as fun goes.

When Americans come to Europe and try the Vespas and the Lambrettas , that's about the same fun upgrade as going from an ICE which does 0-60 in 8s to an EVs which does it in 4s, only the Vespa experience costs 20$ and the Vespa itself 1000$.

for some reason they come back home and completely forget about it and decide to fork 50,000$ for an EV instead

Re: Zero Motorcycles makes its service manuals free

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Post by nicbou »

porknubbins wrote: post #17

Are there any OEMs whose service manuals are hard to find? I restore cars and motorcycles and have never had trouble finding a pdf or hard copy for around $20. Its good that they are doing this though a lot of the secrets I’d want to know about an electric motorcycle are about the ECU when that software is some of the most tightly guarded of any.

Suzuki. 100€ or more, and only if you ask your dealership politely. Same for Renault. I had to find a torrent somewhere.

Re: Zero Motorcycles makes its service manuals free

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Post by magnetic »

freerobby wrote: post #8
LeoPanthera wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Where? All I see at https://service.tesla.com/service-manuals is the manual for the legacy Roadster, which Tesla no longer supports. And if I login, all I can see is the option to buy some kind of service subscription.

You need to sign in with a Tesla account. Once you sign in, the service manuals are free for all vehicles. The paid subscriptions are for their proprietary software.

Can you please walk me through it on the site? I'm logged in and can't find any service manual (I can find the regular "Owner's Manual" though under "Documents" under the a specific car selected. Is that state specific? (I'm in CA)

Re: Zero Motorcycles makes its service manuals free

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Post by _ea1k »

bradly wrote: post #18
m463 wrote: post #3

Refreshing compared to the ways others have gone (tesla for instance)

> Refreshing compared to the ways others have gone Do you know of companies charging for service manuals?

I think most car manufacturers do. Factory service manuals are rarely free or cheap.

Tesla and these guys are the exceptions.

Re: Zero Motorcycles makes its service manuals free

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Post by eightnoneone »

JumpinJack_Cash wrote: post #12
cdot2 wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Is energica really the leader in electric motorcycle sales? I couldnt find any stats but Ive definitely seen some zero bikes on the road and Ive never seen an energica in person

They are going nowhere. Electric motorcycles are a terrible idea because they are not the problem as far as emission go. Given the ratio between the weight of the motorcycle and the weight of the passenger/s they are extemely efficient, having the whole passenger vehicles switch to motorcycles would be even better than have them switch to 3000 pounds EVs. The vast majority of people are too coward to drive them unfor…

Terrible idea?!? Have you ever ridden a motorcycle? Or an electric one?

I've been riding for ~40 years and I don't think I've _ever_ met someone who rode an ICE bike for the fuel/emissions efficiency. It's for the fun and adventure. My stock Energica does 0-60 in 2.8s. WAAAY more fun than my 30yo 1100cc.

Pretty GOOD idea from where I'm sitting.

Re: Zero Motorcycles makes its service manuals free

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Post by lasc4r »

porknubbins wrote: post #17

Are there any OEMs whose service manuals are hard to find? I restore cars and motorcycles and have never had trouble finding a pdf or hard copy for around $20. Its good that they are doing this though a lot of the secrets I’d want to know about an electric motorcycle are about the ECU when that software is some of the most tightly guarded of any.

Do they not go out of their way to make it difficult? I had to scrounge google which led me to a forum thread for Triumph bike manuals. Only managed to get a link to a website associated with Triumph where they let you pay on a per day basis to look at manuals. Spent almost an hour making folders and manually downloading every individual section.

My takeaway is that they want their bikes to get serviced at dealers rather than allow people to more easily work on their own bikes.

Re: Zero Motorcycles makes its service manuals free

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Post by JumpinJack_Cash »

bradly wrote: post #19
JumpinJack_Cash wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They are going nowhere. Electric motorcycles are a terrible idea because they are not the problem as far as emission go. Given the ratio between the weight of the motorcycle and the weight of the passenger/s they are extemely efficient, having the whole passenger vehicles switch to motorcycles would be even better than have them switch to 3000 pounds EVs. The vast majority of people are too coward to drive them unfor…

> Electric motorcycles are a terrible idea because they are not the problem as far as emission go. There are other reasons to want an electric motorcycles besides low emissions.

Motorcycles are the best vehicles as far as acceleration and weight/power ratio is concerned, they fare even better in the price/quickness and price/fun ratio.

A 45,000$ Kawasaki H2R has won a drag race against a RedBull F1 car, an F16, a Gulfstream G600 a Bugatti, a TeslaP100..[0]

By orders of magnitude the Kawasaki was the cheapest vehicle in that race and smoked them all..but that bike can only be driven to the limit by the 1% of riders, the ones with the best skills and massive balls.

What's the point of an EV motorbike? 0-60mph in 2.2s is not enough? Want 1.5s? Cool but what's the point of numbers for numbers sake if people aren't ever pushing it to the limit?

Also what's the point when you can only do it once before it overheats?

[0] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DnTL4wDAbK0

Re: Zero Motorcycles makes its service manuals free

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Post by JumpinJack_Cash »

eightnoneone wrote: post #25
JumpinJack_Cash wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They are going nowhere. Electric motorcycles are a terrible idea because they are not the problem as far as emission go. Given the ratio between the weight of the motorcycle and the weight of the passenger/s they are extemely efficient, having the whole passenger vehicles switch to motorcycles would be even better than have them switch to 3000 pounds EVs. The vast majority of people are too coward to drive them unfor…

Terrible idea?!? Have you ever ridden a motorcycle? Or an electric one? I've been riding for ~40 years and I don't think I've _ever_ met someone who rode an ICE bike for the fuel/emissions efficiency. It's for the fun and adventure. My stock Energica does 0-60 in 2.8s. WAAAY more fun than my 30yo 1100cc. Pretty GOOD idea from where I'm sitting.

> > My stock Energica does 0-60 in 2.8s.

Should I be impressed? That's the same of a 1999 Yamaha R6 selling for less than 1000$ [0]

And the R6 can do it all day, you'll run out of tires before you run out of clutch and gas.

The Energica does it once and then it's panting and overheating.

And as always the point in motorsport is that every noob squid and every idiot is capable of going fast in a straight line, the light supersport bikes such as the Ducati and the Yamahas will smoke the Electric motorcycles in corners because the latter are heavy due to the batteries

[0] https://accelerationtimes.com/models/yamaha-yzf-r6-n-a

Sounds like you've been had.

Re: Zero Motorcycles makes its service manuals free

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Post by kushie »

mintplant wrote: post #20
porknubbins wrote: post #17

Are there any OEMs whose service manuals are hard to find? I restore cars and motorcycles and have never had trouble finding a pdf or hard copy for around $20. Its good that they are doing this though a lot of the secrets I’d want to know about an electric motorcycle are about the ECU when that software is some of the most tightly guarded of any.

I acquired an old Sony CMT-EX1 CD player a while back and was tinkering around with it. I found the service manual online and was blown away. There are pinouts! Block diagrams [0] for the PCBs! Capacitor inventories! I wish we still did this for consumer hardware. [0] https://servlib.com/sony/audio/cmt-ex1-hcd-ex1.html?start=29

this is out of nowhere but if anyone can help me find a service manual (not owners manual) for a Yamaha Clavinova CLP-50 i would be in deep gratitude. a few octaves intermittently don't work and i'd love to tinker

Re: Zero Motorcycles makes its service manuals free

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Post by filoleg »

magnetic wrote: post #23
freerobby wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You need to sign in with a Tesla account. Once you sign in, the service manuals are free for all vehicles. The paid subscriptions are for their proprietary software.

Can you please walk me through it on the site? I'm logged in and can't find any service manual (I can find the regular "Owner's Manual" though under "Documents" under the a specific car selected. Is that state specific? (I'm in CA)

At first it wasn't working for me either, then I turned off my adblock, refreshed cache, tried again, and it worked. Not sure which part specifically helped.

You need to click "Model 3" (or whichever other model you were trying to find a service manual for) in the top nav bar. If everything went right, you will see this screen[0], with all the needed links (instead of what you saw previously).

0. https://imgur.com/a/RDkuSUC

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