Live data from Hacker News

The Alexander Piano

alexanderpiano.nz

101–103 of 103 posts

Re: The Alexander Piano

#101
post #35

This run from high to low, from The Great Gate of Kiev , the finale of Mussorgsky’s Pictures at an Exhibition , illustrates the artistic problem that the Alexander piano is trying to solve: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FzqpNEoL1vs&t=379s At the top, the notes are easily identifiable, but near the end the pitch gets increasingly murky. The damage to the artistic intent by the limitations of the instrumental technol…

Why does a bass guitar not suffer from this poor sound quality?

It does, but pianos can go lower than the bass. Bass guitars typically bottom out around E1, 5 and 7 strings may go lower but typically bottom out around B1 or G0. Pianos go to A0, about 7.5 hz above the bottom of human hearing.

These lower notes are the "muddy" ones, and since pianos have a tough time cleanly making those notes, then it would also mean that bass guitars would, too. Most 7 string guitars only play about a perfect 4th or a perfect 5th below standard tuning because of this inescapable muddiness, and the other extra strings tune upward into the low range of the guitar instead.

Aside from that, it wouldn't matter anyway as guitar instruments are inherently "loose" in their tuning. They may be perfect at the open string and 12th fret if they are properly set up and intonated, but every note in between will be off by a small amount.

Further, the act of fretting and plucking the instrument changes the tone of the generated note, specifically, where and how you strike the string to generate the note changes the overtones, and where and how hard you depress the string behind the fret causes minute shifts in the pitch of the string, not to mention that even minor bending of the string due to hand anatomy and grip pattern will also cause the pitch to change.

Two players can mechanically play the same piece on the same instrument in the same way down to the microsecond, but no matter how accurate they are, there will be detectable differences in the resulting piece.

A piano doesn't have that. You have your three pedals and how hard you depress the key. Still a lot of control over the sound, but if two different pianists play the same piece on the same piano with the same pedal work and finger strength, the results should be essentially identical.

Therefore, the sound quality of the piano is fixed and set based on its original setup and the string lengths it is given, whereas a guitar player can compensate for low level muddiness by altering the playing pattern, striking closer to the bridge with a plectrum or their nails, whatever they need to do to put some brightness into a low note, whereas the piano player only has the option of striking harder or softer, so in the range where a bass and piano compete, the bass can have much less muddiness than a piano.

Re: The Alexander Piano

#102

Earlier quoted context omitted.

12-edo's approximation to the 5th harmonic (a.k.a. 4th overtone) is 14 cents sharp , not flat -- it's at 400 cents plus two octaves, whereas the 5th harmonic is at 386 cents plus two octaves. I admit to being unfamiliar with unequal temperaments. As a jazz player they seems like a complete bummer to me, as I love to transpose on a whim and don't want the intervallic structure to depend on what key I'm in.

Yeah, I had a sign error in my head there (unequal major thirds are the relatively flat ones). I know that there is some unequal tempered jazz out there from very early recordings, and I assume they thought the different character of the keys added extra character and possibly some extra "grunge," but it would be interesting to compare the improvisational style to equal tempered jazz.

I know of at least one person who's very fond of a 12-tone JI scale she came up with, which she happily plays in every key. She tattooed it onto her arm.

I've played in 58-edo, which to me is basically indistinguishable from JI. It's just a little too big to use comfortably on the Lumatone. I can use it on the monome comfortably, but the monome doesn't have velocity sensitivity, which for me is a deal killer. On the Lumatone the biggest I feel comfortable playing is 46-edo. Fortunately, 46-edo sounds incredible.

It doesn't have the best approximation to 5/4 -- it's 5 cents sharp -- but that error goes in the same direction as the error in 12-edo that we're used to, so (because we're all used to 12-edo) it sounds world better than, say, the 5/4 that 41-edo gives you, which is 6 cents flat.

Re: The Alexander Piano

#103

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why does a bass guitar not suffer from this poor sound quality?

It does, but pianos can go lower than the bass. Bass guitars typically bottom out around E1, 5 and 7 strings may go lower but typically bottom out around B1 or G0. Pianos go to A0, about 7.5 hz above the bottom of human hearing. These lower notes are the "muddy" ones, and since pianos have a tough time cleanly making those notes, then it would also mean that bass guitars would, too. Most 7 string guitars only play ab…

Honestly I always thought bass guitars sounded lower. Low piano sounds closer to a snare drum to me than any particular note.
Post reply on HN