Thanks Bram, RIP .
Vim Boss
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#103Earlier quoted context omitted.
> That's regardless of people "having the right to fork". Yes they do. But also yes, if they exercize that right, they do split a community and divert interest from a project to 2 projects. You're not dividing the same-sized pie. The alternative to a fork is a single project with fewer contributors. The alternative to two communities is a single community that's not as large as the two would've been, with a good chun…
> You're not dividing the same-sized pie. We do. Neither vim-or-vim-fork editor users nor vim-or-vim-fork-potential-devs are going to see any significant jump in population from the presense of neovim. People who are new to vim-style-editors and go to neovim are mainly people who would have gone to vim if neovim didn't exist. And from people contributing to vim via themes, plugins, etc., some have taken their talents…
> Neither vim-or-vim-fork editor users nor vim-or-vim-fork-potential-devs are going to see any significant jump in population from the presense of neovim.
Last time I used vim there was still a thriving ecosystem of vanilla-compatible vimscript plugins. And this thread is full of neovim users who continue to use vim for some use cases, like on remote machines. How many vim users do you suppose use neovim for certain tasks? :)
> Well, the prevalent wisdom of 30+ years of FOSS has been that they're mostly bad.
My experience has given me the exact opposite impression. Forking may not always mutually benefit both projects, but the end result at worst occupies the time of a few disgruntled maintainers who would have likely stopped contributing anyway, and at best delivers real value for users by being responsive to their needs and desires.
Re: Vim Boss
#104Thanks Bram. I've been using Vim (and sometimes more recently Neovim) for over 30 years (nearly every work day of my entire career), having used `vi` on various BSD systems in school. In all that time, I've never been on the mailing list for Vim, asked a question or submitted a bug report. I've never needed to do so . Because I've never run into a bug or had a question that couldn't be answered by the built in docume…
I have to agree here, I’ve worked on some tremendously complex control systems and the documentation has been so good that anytime I’ve needed info it was easy to find.
I’ve also worked on relatively simple systems that have required more interrogation due to a lack of, or in one case absolutely terrible documentation.
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#105I once interviewed an intern candidate who bragged about getting into an argument with Bram on the mailing lists over a possible vulnerability. Bram insisted it was not important, and this young gun insisted it was. We didn't hire the guy. It's interesting seeing these memorials for Bram, from what people say he was the polar opposite of this kid in a good way.
Was this kid arguing about the automatic encrypt/decrypt file capability and Bram's unwillingness to use a cryptographically secure algorithm? It was a long, long thread that got heated. I was with Bram though! It was never meant to be secure in a cryptographic sense...
That sounds really familiar tbh. Basically the argument was "this is insecure" vs "Yeah, its supposed to be like that".
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#106Earlier quoted context omitted.
at least they cared enough to stick to their guns i guess
Indeed, not 100% clear but it felt like GP was criticizing the kid. The kid enters a security related conversation and Bram not only listens but engages in the conversation. Seems like you missed on a great hire.
The young guy was fairly skilled at technical stuff, but his story about arguing with Bram was an insight into his interpersonal skills. It wasn't what lost him the spot though. I personally liked him but he didn't really perform on the nuts and bolts challenges we present to candidates.
They're not particularly difficult challenges, just things to see how a candidate approaches a problem. I don't remember what exactly was disconcerting about his approach but I feel like he took a lot of short cuts via google searching and didn't exactly understand what he was doing. This was years ago back when we did in-person interviews though, so my memory isn't 100% on it.
We have a lot of extremely intelligent people with small egos at my company and cockyness like that doesn't really fit super well with our group.
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#107I sucked at Vim. My tribute to Bram will be to learn it and master it.
It is one shoulders of these giants we ALL stand on.
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#108Vim has soul. It is that chisel you inherited from your grandpa that you keep using. It fits well in your grip and is comfortable, even though it lacks the soft rubber that the new ones in the store have. It's a tool with its own history. Reading the comments here, it seems that the hacker's mentality still lives on. The new young billion-dollar company will be replaced in another 10-20 years. Vim lives on. I wish to…
A slight difference though. If a newbie picks up grandpa's chisel, it doesn't get glued onto their hand until they google the three magic words they must shout to make the chisel come off.
At least it forces you to find and read the documentation.
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#109Is there anything like MacVim on linux these days? I mean gVIM is pretty usable with tabs but I'm wondering if anybody cared enough to make something a little fancier GUI wise? Just good looking slick window decorations, better integrated with eg. GNOME in Ubuntu.
More crucially has anybody ever made a faster render? I mean it´s 2023 and I'm still seeing gvim in Ubuntu redraw my tabs from top to bottom in maybe 0.1 sec but it's definitely noticeable.
Re: Vim Boss
#110Vim has soul. It is that chisel you inherited from your grandpa that you keep using. It fits well in your grip and is comfortable, even though it lacks the soft rubber that the new ones in the store have. It's a tool with its own history. Reading the comments here, it seems that the hacker's mentality still lives on. The new young billion-dollar company will be replaced in another 10-20 years. Vim lives on. I wish to…
It's like the phial of Galadriel: a light for you in dark places when all other lights go out