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Re: Artificial General Intelligence – A gentle introduction

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Post by heyitsguay » Fri, Aug 11, 2023, 9:51 AM UTC

luc_ wrote: post #8

xvilka wrote: post #4

How is it possible to make an introduction to something that doesn't exist?

You need theory before you get implementation.

Wager: None of the theory on this page will have any bearing on the implementation of a real world AI system that solves any problem of interest.

Not that there aren't problems to solve regarding AI, just that this line of inquiry won't be relevant to solving them. It'll be complicated boring work dealing with power structures, economics, and social movements, not thought experiments about omnipotent Others.

Re: Artificial General Intelligence – A gentle introduction

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Post by m463 » Fri, Aug 11, 2023, 9:52 AM UTC

luc_ wrote: post #8

xvilka wrote: post #4

How is it possible to make an introduction to something that doesn't exist?

You need theory before you get implementation.

I'm sure there are plenty of things we've implemented without theory, such as global warming or the economy.

Re: Artificial General Intelligence – A gentle introduction

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Post by myguestacc » Fri, Aug 11, 2023, 9:54 AM UTC

"Some of the doubts about the possibility of AGI come from misconceptions on what AGI attempts to achieve or what computers can do. The previous subsection has clarified the former issue, while an analysis of the latter issue can be found here."

Except for that the previous subsection didn't clarify that at all.

Re: Artificial General Intelligence – A gentle introduction

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Post by adastra22 » Fri, Aug 11, 2023, 9:55 AM UTC

luc_ wrote: post #8

xvilka wrote: post #4

How is it possible to make an introduction to something that doesn't exist?

You need theory before you get implementation.

Most of the history of technological development is the other way around. Theory-driven novel engineering is actually quite rare.

Re: Artificial General Intelligence – A gentle introduction

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Post by FartyMcFarter » Fri, Aug 11, 2023, 9:56 AM UTC

weego wrote: post #9

mz00 wrote: post #3

How do we know which institutions to trust in safely deploying AGI? From my POV some kind of autonomous and generalized intelligence is inevitable and imminent - but who can be trusted to deliver something that works for the majority? Or is that a pipe dream?

It's not a concern for any current living generations, so any answers are moot because the landscape of the entire friction between corporations, governments and the people will likely have shifted dramatically to where our opinions today have no relevance to their issues.

> It's not a concern for any current living generations

How much would you be willing to bet? I understand the skepticism, but to assign 0% probability to it happening in our lifetimes seems excessively low.

Re: Artificial General Intelligence – A gentle introduction

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Post by eimrine » Fri, Aug 11, 2023, 10:00 AM UTC

weego wrote: post #10

eimrine wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

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ChatGPT, is that you?

I hate post-2022 internet discussions because one is really common nowadays - talk about statements you don't like that they were written by bot.

This accusation takes ridiculously low number of symbols, so it is impossible even to react to this kind of assumption because answering to troll using significantly more symbols is the definition of troll feeding.

By the way, the message you are referring to consist of more than one statement and I can not even guess which one is bothering you.

Re: Artificial General Intelligence – A gentle introduction

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Post by stareatgoats » Fri, Aug 11, 2023, 10:07 AM UTC

As a novice this looks to me like a solid resource for gaining an overview of the different academic traditions aiming at some sort of eventual AGI. I don't know the author but from the bio it seems he has been teaching AI at the university level since at least 2005. Which indicates reassuring insight into the field.

Re: Artificial General Intelligence – A gentle introduction

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Post by Ntuthuko_hlela » Fri, Aug 11, 2023, 10:14 AM UTC

Thank you!

Re: Artificial General Intelligence – A gentle introduction

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Post by weberer » Fri, Aug 11, 2023, 10:17 AM UTC

mz00 wrote: post #3

How do we know which institutions to trust in safely deploying AGI? From my POV some kind of autonomous and generalized intelligence is inevitable and imminent - but who can be trusted to deliver something that works for the majority? Or is that a pipe dream?

I don't really understand the question. Its like saying "who can be trusted to deploy computers?". Everyone with the resources is going to do so, whether you "trust" them or not.

Re: Artificial General Intelligence – A gentle introduction

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Post by eimrine » Fri, Aug 11, 2023, 10:17 AM UTC

weego wrote: post #9

mz00 wrote: post #3

How do we know which institutions to trust in safely deploying AGI? From my POV some kind of autonomous and generalized intelligence is inevitable and imminent - but who can be trusted to deliver something that works for the majority? Or is that a pipe dream?

It's not a concern for any current living generations, so any answers are moot because the landscape of the entire friction between corporations, governments and the people will likely have shifted dramatically to where our opinions today have no relevance to their issues.

> It's not a concern for any current living generations

What exactly is impossible to implement if some implementations of so-called artificial intelligence can do so much of useful things?

Don't you believe that AI can just take 1% of human jobs and became a billionaire with significant impact to world's politics? It needn't to add a lot of things to existing implementation, just give it a human's rights such as a bank account and ability to buy businesses.