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Re: My Overkill Home Network

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Post by ptman »

kristjank wrote: post #239
ivolimmen wrote: post #227

I find this really disturbing. On the one hand this looks really nerdy and cool but then I see the immense amount of hardware that also relies on power... so much power. This is completely unnecessary but then I also see the pictures of an F150.. so yeah it makes sense. I have to categorize this as a (un)typical American person that does not care about the environment. Do like the fact that he runs a RIPE probe thoug…

I hope you're trolling. Power can be generated without an environmental impact. There are companies (and F150s) dumping kgbjillions more CO2 than this person's homelab is. Let people learn something and have some fun.

It cannot be generated without an environmental impact. Equipment has an impact and a limited life.

Re: My Overkill Home Network

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Post by Thlom »

>The Hubitat hub has now almost entirely been replaced by a HomeAssistant virtual machine. The only reason it is here is to connect the Z-Wave and Zigbee devices I have. However, I replace those devices with WiFi versions wherever possible

There's cheap and reliable ZigBee/Z-Wave/433MHz USB dongled antennas you can replace the Hubitat with.

Re: My Overkill Home Network

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Post by trustingtrust »

iptrans wrote: post #228
trustingtrust wrote: post #212

Biggest problems I have faced for home networks : ISPs are poorly configured and do very shady things sometimes like DNS hijacking. More often than not poor ONU firmware or hardware means you will see weird things like latency spikes or straight up packet drops. Sometimes IPv6 won't work if the ONU is in bridge mode etc. etc. This post is overkill but what mostly works for home networks: SQM - like cake sqm in openwr…

Obvious caveats: GPON networks are often vendor locked. This means you cannot just buy any random SFP ONU and expect it work. Even if you do get it to work, no ISP will offer you any kind of support if you do this. Some might even take to it poorly, if they find out. Generally, the best option is to ask your ISP if they offer other ONU models and choose from those.

Almost all ISPs use Serial and (optional) PLOAM to authenticate your ONU. Nokia GPON SFPs allow you to change almost everything that is exposed to the ISP for authentication. ITU standards mean that ISPs have to work according to the spec.

ISP ONUs are locked for easier management for them. They will give you 1/10th of the speed promised if it helps them deal with support calls remotely rather than visiting your place to fix it. Support calls where people complain for things like 'I forgot my wifi password' cost ISPs a lot of money. So they can basically just login to your ONU at any time remotely and change settings for you like your wifi password. They do remote firmware updates and what not remotely. This is the biggest reason why ISPs love such modem router combos. Support can be guaranteed with a phone call to fix your wifi for the average Joe.

You will not get ISP support if you use your own ONU but if you are using your own ONU then you are already at that point where you know what you are doing. As far as signal issues are concerned, like I said ITU specs mean they can see the signal strength remotely. Everything else they don't have access to but you don't need them to have that access. You can always swap out the ISP provided box to troubleshoot.

If you actually swap out the ONU to a better one, chances are you'll never need to call your ISP unless there is a fiber cut or some serious signal loss somewhere.

Re: My Overkill Home Network

#244

Post by maeln »

kristjank wrote: post #239
ivolimmen wrote: post #227

I find this really disturbing. On the one hand this looks really nerdy and cool but then I see the immense amount of hardware that also relies on power... so much power. This is completely unnecessary but then I also see the pictures of an F150.. so yeah it makes sense. I have to categorize this as a (un)typical American person that does not care about the environment. Do like the fact that he runs a RIPE probe thoug…

I hope you're trolling. Power can be generated without an environmental impact. There are companies (and F150s) dumping kgbjillions more CO2 than this person's homelab is. Let people learn something and have some fun.

Power cannot be generated without an environmental impact. Even solar panel and wind turbine generate a non negligible amount of pollution when produced, and a non negligible amount of waste when they have to be decommissioned. Also, it is highly unlikely that he is using his own grid, he probably pulling most of his power from the U.S grid, which (like most grid to be fair) contains a fair amount of CO2 heavy sources. And that is not even talking about the amount of pollution and waste used to produced all that hardware he is running.

I get it, it looks cool and damn fun. I dream of this kinds of setup. but brushing off the environmental impact is also wrong.

Now admittedly, he is but a drop in vast ocean when it come to pollution and waste, and there is definitely far worse offender. But keeping our environmental impact in mind should be a necessity in this era.

Re: My Overkill Home Network

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Post by pprotas »

ivolimmen wrote: post #227

I find this really disturbing. On the one hand this looks really nerdy and cool but then I see the immense amount of hardware that also relies on power... so much power. This is completely unnecessary but then I also see the pictures of an F150.. so yeah it makes sense. I have to categorize this as a (un)typical American person that does not care about the environment. Do like the fact that he runs a RIPE probe thoug…

Snide categorizations aside, there is a point somewhere in your comment. It is a running joke in the /r/homelab community that their servers use an unreasonable amount of power that they have to hide from their wives.

It really IS unnecessary, as you can tell by the author of the article referring to their home network as "overkill".

Re: My Overkill Home Network

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Post by rimliu »

kriops wrote: post #230
ivolimmen wrote: post #227

I find this really disturbing. On the one hand this looks really nerdy and cool but then I see the immense amount of hardware that also relies on power... so much power. This is completely unnecessary but then I also see the pictures of an F150.. so yeah it makes sense. I have to categorize this as a (un)typical American person that does not care about the environment. Do like the fact that he runs a RIPE probe thoug…

I find your comment to be at the absolute peak of sanctimony. Who are you to decide if it is necessary or not? Furthermore, why are you justified in negatively stereotyping Americans – a diverse group of individuals?

The question was not addressed to me, but I have some tongue-in-cheek answers:

    > Who are you to decide if it is necessary or not?
Inhabitant of the Earth. The one affected by climate change.

    > Why are you justified in negatively stereotyping Americans
Tell me, what is the best-selling truck in US for 46 years in a row?

Re: My Overkill Home Network

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Post by SanderNL »

ivolimmen wrote: post #227

I find this really disturbing. On the one hand this looks really nerdy and cool but then I see the immense amount of hardware that also relies on power... so much power. This is completely unnecessary but then I also see the pictures of an F150.. so yeah it makes sense. I have to categorize this as a (un)typical American person that does not care about the environment. Do like the fact that he runs a RIPE probe thoug…

I find it very interesting how awareness of climate change (and let’s not forget: the price of energy) has had so much impact on my and others’ judgement in a relatively short time.

5-10 years ago I would think this is perfectly fine. I believe I was not alone in this, but maybe I was. The energy would have cost pennies too and why whine about it?

Now I think it’s exorbitant as well, for me. The F150 etc, it’s telling a different story now.

I do think it’s kind of below the belt to snipe any single culture for this. It’s too easy to target Americans. I don’t know about this guy’s life. Maybe he has a ranch with 20 square miles of renewables and I don’t care actually. It’s just personal reflection.

Re: My Overkill Home Network

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Post by vladvasiliu »

cjdell wrote: post #232
ivolimmen wrote: post #227

I find this really disturbing. On the one hand this looks really nerdy and cool but then I see the immense amount of hardware that also relies on power... so much power. This is completely unnecessary but then I also see the pictures of an F150.. so yeah it makes sense. I have to categorize this as a (un)typical American person that does not care about the environment. Do like the fact that he runs a RIPE probe thoug…

I also have mixed feelings. I stopped home labing because of the energy costs. I now have everything I need (HomeAssistant / NAS / Router) running on an old Dell Precision laptop. Laptops make great servers because they are optimised for low power consumption + you get a free console and UPS built-in! I'm tempted by the new Alder Lake N100 mini PCs that are available on Chinese websites. But I need to wait until the…

My main problem with labbing is the noise (I live in an apartment). His servers are mostly small PCs, so I think the most power draw is from the disk drives. If you need the storage, say for the cameras and whatnot, I'm not sure that running a laptop instead would save that much power.

Re: My Overkill Home Network

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Post by [deleted] »

SanderNL wrote: post #247
ivolimmen wrote: post #227

I find this really disturbing. On the one hand this looks really nerdy and cool but then I see the immense amount of hardware that also relies on power... so much power. This is completely unnecessary but then I also see the pictures of an F150.. so yeah it makes sense. I have to categorize this as a (un)typical American person that does not care about the environment. Do like the fact that he runs a RIPE probe thoug…

I find it very interesting how awareness of climate change (and let’s not forget: the price of energy) has had so much impact on my and others’ judgement in a relatively short time. 5-10 years ago I would think this is perfectly fine. I believe I was not alone in this, but maybe I was. The energy would have cost pennies too and why whine about it? Now I think it’s exorbitant as well, for me. The F150 etc, it’s tellin…

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