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Re: Vim Boss

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Post by imron »

gorjusborg wrote: post #49
petre wrote: post #37

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> As soon as I read "programmable", I'm off. I just prefer fixed-function editor that suits my taste I never have to "program" Vim apart from set nocompatible, set ruler, backspace, indentation and maybe pick another colorscheme from the defaults (usually torte). On neovim I installed lightline and pathogen, monokai colorscheme and something else I forgot about, maybe syntax highlighting for some more exotic language…

> The point is Vim is a fixed function editor until you start loading it up like a xmas tree. Exactly, just because you can doesn't mean you need to, or should.

My .exrc file is < 10 lines and that + ctags is enough for me to use vim for daily development across multiple languages.

Re: Vim Boss

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Post by Affric »

gitaarik wrote: post #41
gitaarik wrote: post #38

Today at a train station in the Netherlands (Utrecht) I noticed something special. I saw the letters hjkl on the sign in reverse order. These letters indentify the platform areas where you can enter the train. Depending on the length of the platform and the area where the train has entrances, it shows the letters. https://postimg.cc/mcCWhMXw Either this was super coincidence, or someone at the NS (the Dutch train com…

Although, thinking about it now, the letters do come after each other in the alpbabeth except that the I is missing between the H and J, but maybe they did that intentionally because it can be confused with the lower case L. So maybe just coincidence after all, but still it was special for me. I never saw this at the trains and now suddenly the week after Bram passed away this shows up.

Regardless it’s touching that it made you think of Bram

Re: Vim Boss

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Post by dkga »

ansible wrote: post #10

Thanks Bram. I've been using Vim (and sometimes more recently Neovim) for over 30 years (nearly every work day of my entire career), having used `vi` on various BSD systems in school. In all that time, I've never been on the mailing list for Vim, asked a question or submitted a bug report. I've never needed to do so . Because I've never run into a bug or had a question that couldn't be answered by the built in docume…

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Re: Vim Boss

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Post by imiric »

chaps wrote: post #40

Vim has had a legitimate impact on my life. Over the past 15 years I've been using it, "set -o vi" and similar in psql/ipython get added into my rc files almost immediately on a new host. Many, many hours upon hours of living in a shell have been made so much more enjoyable because of his work. Thank you for posting this. Rest in peace, friend.

Same here. Learning Vim commands has had one of the greatest ROI of anything I know. It's been invaluable over the years, and has probably saved me hundreds of hours of interacting with a computer. It's become muscle memory a long time ago, and editing text and moving a cursor on the screen takes no effort at all.

It's one of those things I always suggest to new programmers. Learning Vim may arguably have a steep learning curve, but it will open your eyes to a different and more efficient way of interacting with text, which is something you constantly do as a programmer.

I've enabled Vi(m) mode everywhere it's supported: from shells and everything that uses Readline, to making it the default in Emacs via evil-mode.

The modal interface and mnemonic commands that can be combined in different ways is a far superior and more intuitive UI than the Emacs key chord UI. I love Vim. It's what got me started on this journey 20+ years ago. I still use it daily for quick edits, but prefer Emacs as an IDE, as it's a more extensible environment. With evil-mode, I get the best of both worlds. :)

Bram has improved so many of our lives, and deserves to be recognized among the all time greats in our industry. RIP.

Re: Vim Boss

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Post by mkl »

gitaarik wrote: post #41
gitaarik wrote: post #38

Today at a train station in the Netherlands (Utrecht) I noticed something special. I saw the letters hjkl on the sign in reverse order. These letters indentify the platform areas where you can enter the train. Depending on the length of the platform and the area where the train has entrances, it shows the letters. https://postimg.cc/mcCWhMXw Either this was super coincidence, or someone at the NS (the Dutch train com…

Although, thinking about it now, the letters do come after each other in the alpbabeth except that the I is missing between the H and J, but maybe they did that intentionally because it can be confused with the lower case L. So maybe just coincidence after all, but still it was special for me. I never saw this at the trains and now suddenly the week after Bram passed away this shows up.

The partially alphabetic middle row of QWERTY is a remnant of an alphabetic layout that preceded it. QWERTY reduced typewriter jamming by moving common consecutive letters away from each other.

Re: Vim Boss

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Post by jamiek88 »

halifaxbeard wrote: post #58
block_dagger wrote: post #42

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Good example, although Van Gogh is probably the more cited.

“The Doctor and Amy take Vincent Van Gogh - who struggled to sell a single painting in his own lifetime - to a Paris art Gallery in the year 2010” https://youtu.be/ubTJI_UphPk

I remember the emotional impact of that scene hit me hard when I first saw it. It still hits 89% as hard now upon many repeat viewings.

Re: Vim Boss

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Post by nequo »

__MatrixMan__ wrote: post #60
RGBCube wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Disclaimer: I'm not even user of either of (Neo)vim or Emacs. As soon as I read "programmable", I'm off. I just prefer fixed-function editor that suits my taste , a few minutes of configuration & go. But that's just me, what do I know? Then Helix may be for you! It uses the Kakoune keybinds, which make SO MUCH SENSE compared to Vim or Emacs. And it's already pre configured and includes a lot of useful features. I h…

I've been a happy vimmer for 15 years. I've been dabbling in helix for a month and liking it a lot. The ast-aware selection capabilities--while not habit yet--feel like a fledgling superpower.

Neovim has a plugin for that too.[1] Is Helix different in how you can navigate the syntax tree?

[1] https://github.com/nvim-treesitter/nvim-treesitter-textobjec...

Re: Vim Boss

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Post by dessimus »

djha-skin wrote: post #7

I'm shocked. I've been a vim user my whole life. I use neovim lately, but I didn't even know Bram was dead. I've never interacted with him personally, but I've interacted with the tool he wrote and the documentation he wrote almost on a daily basis. Vim is part of me. I know the project will likely continue, but I can't help but thinking: what now? It brings up this issue of death in software for me. Software is gett…

>On the other hand, Debian was popular enough to continue after Ian's passing, and continues to gain momentum.

I don't believe these are parallel, as IIRC, Ian was not directly involved in Debian since the late 90's, at least not in a day-to-day manner in the way Bram was, or say the way Linus is still managing Linux to this day.

Re: Vim Boss

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Post by keepamovin »

emerongi wrote: post #52

Vim has soul. It is that chisel you inherited from your grandpa that you keep using. It fits well in your grip and is comfortable, even though it lacks the soft rubber that the new ones in the store have. It's a tool with its own history. Reading the comments here, it seems that the hacker's mentality still lives on. The new young billion-dollar company will be replaced in another 10-20 years. Vim lives on. I wish to…

That’s a great way to put it. Who are you?

Re: Vim Boss

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Post by anyonecancode »

BlackjackCF wrote: post #6
tequila_shot wrote: post #3

Earlier quoted context omitted.

sorry, what disagreement? I didn't find any in the article.

Some people take issue with NeoVim, because they believe it splits the Vim community and takes people power away from Vim development.

That feels a bit like criticizing all the c-style programming languages for splitting the C community... Which is an analogy I rather like, as it suggest Vim has become so foundational that its legacy goes beyond the direct users of it. I've certainly found that to be so, as in addition to using vim itself, I also use its key bindings wherever I can.
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