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Re: CIQ, Oracle, SUSE Create Open Enterprise Linux Association

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Post by hrrsn »

Espionage724 wrote: post #48
josephcsible wrote: post #46

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> If I want RHEL, I'll go get RHEL that afaik is also free. You can't get RHEL for free.

Are you sure? Things I read online say it's free, including https://developers.redhat.com/products/rhel/download As I understand, the only costs with RHEL include using it across a large number of machines in enterprise, and customer support. Someone using it on a few machines in a home lab should be fine I imagine?

You can sign up for the developer license and install it on up to 16 machines, after that you need to pay

Re: CIQ, Oracle, SUSE Create Open Enterprise Linux Association

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Post by Espionage724 »

hrrsn wrote: post #61
Espionage724 wrote: post #48

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Are you sure? Things I read online say it's free, including https://developers.redhat.com/products/rhel/download As I understand, the only costs with RHEL include using it across a large number of machines in enterprise, and customer support. Someone using it on a few machines in a home lab should be fine I imagine?

You can sign up for the developer license and install it on up to 16 machines, after that you need to pay

Now I'm even more confused as to why RHEL's changes are this controversial :p

16 machines is more devices than I have in my house, and enterprise seems like they can just pay for RHEL. I'm also betting there's not some thorough verification process that would prevent you from running RHEL free on more than 16 machines (seems almost too easy, but just make multiple free accounts per-16 machines? RH I'm sure would be happier to have people running RHEL at all than intentionally seeking out free license violators)

Re: CIQ, Oracle, SUSE Create Open Enterprise Linux Association

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Post by kobalsky »

Espionage724 wrote: post #63
hrrsn wrote: post #61

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You can sign up for the developer license and install it on up to 16 machines, after that you need to pay

Now I'm even more confused as to why RHEL's changes are this controversial :p 16 machines is more devices than I have in my house, and enterprise seems like they can just pay for RHEL. I'm also betting there's not some thorough verification process that would prevent you from running RHEL free on more than 16 machines (seems almost too easy, but just make multiple free accounts per-16 machines? RH I'm sure would be h…

> Now I'm even more confused as to why RHEL's changes are this controversial :p

16 licenses is the proverbial tip.

we know what happens next.

Re: CIQ, Oracle, SUSE Create Open Enterprise Linux Association

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Post by doubled112 »

Espionage724 wrote: post #63
hrrsn wrote: post #61

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You can sign up for the developer license and install it on up to 16 machines, after that you need to pay

Now I'm even more confused as to why RHEL's changes are this controversial :p 16 machines is more devices than I have in my house, and enterprise seems like they can just pay for RHEL. I'm also betting there's not some thorough verification process that would prevent you from running RHEL free on more than 16 machines (seems almost too easy, but just make multiple free accounts per-16 machines? RH I'm sure would be h…

16 devices doesn’t cover everything I have at home, and managing the license(s) isn’t something I’m looking to do.

Re: CIQ, Oracle, SUSE Create Open Enterprise Linux Association

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Post by vulcan01 »

bragr wrote: post #10
infamouscow wrote: post #4

I wish they went for a 501(c)3 non-profit, rather than a 501(c)6 trade organization. The incentives between these two structures make a world of difference.

Just skimming the regulations, I don't believe that it would qualify as a 501(c)3 as they don't receive "broad public support" [1] whereas the criteria for a 501(c)6 match exactly with their goals. Additionally the (c)6 allows for political activity related to the purpose of the organization, which seems like a good ability given the current intersection of politics, regulation, and tech. [2] I'm not sure what you me…

I started a 501(c)(3) with some friends. It didn't require broad public support, just that we intended to grow to such a point.

(I'm not sure exactly what the current support is like; I left the board over a year ago. I think it's around 10 folks that donate somewhat regularly.)

Certainly the political activity provision of 501(c)(6)s are beneficial for this association, and I guess they'd have more scrutiny as three large companies instead of a few high schoolers.

Re: CIQ, Oracle, SUSE Create Open Enterprise Linux Association

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Post by jrpelkonen »

verdverm wrote: post #8

Is this IBM|RedHat's Elasticsearch vs Opensearch moment?

Interesting observation. I recently watched a documentary about Compaq, and this saga reminds me of a previous time when IBM tried to put the genie back in the bottle with MicroChannel architecture. Let’s see if they fare any better this time

Re: CIQ, Oracle, SUSE Create Open Enterprise Linux Association

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Post by nhanlon »

gangohango wrote: post #36
linuxftw wrote: post #35

Part of the justification at the time for getting rid of CentOS proper in favor of CentOS "Stream" was that poor Red Hat was doing all the work and spending all the cash in support of CentOS. Red Hat even went as far to say that the CentOS leadership (board?) was in full support. Red Hat never allowed CentOS to have any kind of election. It was never a community driven project after Red Hat bought it. So, very intere…

CIQ is rocky.

We (RESF/Rocky) are _not_ CIQ, and do not take direction from CIQ.

End of story.

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