Nick Cave on ChatGPT and the creative process

Seems to me there's a confusion of ideas here. If you want to create "true" art no one is stopping you. If you're upset people can make more money by "undermining" the creative process by using tools then you're not really interested in creating "true" art with the "creative process", you're interested in money.

Re: Nick Cave on ChatGPT and the creative process

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Post by vouaobrasil » Thu, Aug 10, 2023, 7:39 PM UTC

From the article:

> ChatGPT is fast-tracking the commodification of the human spirit by mechanising the imagination. It renders our participation in the act of creation as valueless and unnecessary. That ‘songwriter ‘you were talking to, Leon, who is using ChatGPT to write ‘his’ lyrics because it is ‘faster and easier ,’is participating in this erosion of the world’s soul and the spirit of humanity itself and, to put it politely, should fucking desist if he wants to continue calling himself a songwriter.

100% agree. AI is indeed an erosion of the world's soul by the conglomerate of tech companies who are rabid about going after short-term gains.

The reason why people use ChatGPT is because using it is a maladapative response to go after the quickest solution, a response that would have been adaptive in a time of scarcity.

However, it is displacing a world of art and creation that was at one time meant to showcase the emotional and intellectual expression of humans into a cash-grab using cheap "art" that is soulless.

If any creation were a true abomination to the human spirit, is the creation of AI.

Re: Nick Cave on ChatGPT and the creative process

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Post by chrisweekly » Thu, Aug 10, 2023, 7:41 PM UTC

hellothere1337 wrote: post #4

Seems to me there's a confusion of ideas here. If you want to create "true" art no one is stopping you. If you're upset people can make more money by "undermining" the creative process by using tools then you're not really interested in creating "true" art with the "creative process", you're interested in money.

Random tangent - your comment reminded me about one of my all-time favorite domain names (the site's decent too, but I'm focused on the name).

https://we-make-money-not-art.com/

Re: Nick Cave on ChatGPT and the creative process

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Post by vouaobrasil » Thu, Aug 10, 2023, 7:42 PM UTC

hellothere1337 wrote: post #4

Seems to me there's a confusion of ideas here. If you want to create "true" art no one is stopping you. If you're upset people can make more money by "undermining" the creative process by using tools then you're not really interested in creating "true" art with the "creative process", you're interested in money.

The problem is, society is set up now so that the ONLY thing people CAN do is go after money. It was pushed hard in that direction by tech companies like Google, Microsoft, and Facebook because they wanted to maximize pure short-term profit by sucking life out of people.

There was a time in history where you COULD create real art and make a decent living out of it. Now, AI has set up the ultimate PRISONER'S DILEMMA (game theory) situation where everyone needs to jump on the frenetic race ot the bottom to get their work recognized.

Re: Nick Cave on ChatGPT and the creative process

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Post by bemusedthrow75 » Thu, Aug 10, 2023, 7:44 PM UTC

hellothere1337 wrote: post #4

Seems to me there's a confusion of ideas here. If you want to create "true" art no one is stopping you. If you're upset people can make more money by "undermining" the creative process by using tools then you're not really interested in creating "true" art with the "creative process", you're interested in money.

Are you saying people who make "true art" should not be doing it for reward, or should not be as interested in money as non-artists? This is enormously reductive and is quite a modern idea. Most artists in history have made art for gain.

It is a bold strategy to suggest that Nick Cave is confused by ideas of income and art. I don't care who you are: on this topic, Cave is almost 100% certainly better informed than you (or me).

Re: Nick Cave on ChatGPT and the creative process

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Post by poopbutt7 » Thu, Aug 10, 2023, 7:44 PM UTC

Creating biblical-grade art with soul is probably a poor use-case for ChatGPT.

Re: Nick Cave on ChatGPT and the creative process

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Post by poopbutt7 » Thu, Aug 10, 2023, 7:48 PM UTC

vouaobrasil wrote: post #7

hellothere1337 wrote: post #4

Seems to me there's a confusion of ideas here. If you want to create "true" art no one is stopping you. If you're upset people can make more money by "undermining" the creative process by using tools then you're not really interested in creating "true" art with the "creative process", you're interested in money.

The problem is, society is set up now so that the ONLY thing people CAN do is go after money. It was pushed hard in that direction by tech companies like Google, Microsoft, and Facebook because they wanted to maximize pure short-term profit by sucking life out of people. There was a time in history where you COULD create real art and make a decent living out of it. Now, AI has set up the ultimate PRISONER'S DILEMMA (…

> There was a time in history where you COULD create real art and make a decent living out of it.

Honest question, is that actually true? Historically, professional art always struck me as the domain of the rich, the starving artist, or the person taking commissions for the rich.