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Re: CIQ, Oracle, SUSE Create Open Enterprise Linux Association

#41

OpenSuse is wonderful

What's the differentiator from the Fedora/Centos/RHEL line?

Probably YAST¹ and the Open Build Service². I think the latter is especially great. There's a public instance of it hosted by openSUSE³, and you can use it to build packages for almost any distro and get a feel for it.

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1: https://yast.opensuse.org/documentation

2: https://openbuildservice.org/

3: https://build.opensuse.org/

Re: CIQ, Oracle, SUSE Create Open Enterprise Linux Association

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post #15

I wish they went for a 501(c)3 non-profit, rather than a 501(c)6 trade organization. The incentives between these two structures make a world of difference.

You will find that many of the open source backing non-profits are trade organizations. Some notable examples: - The Linux Foundation (which includes the CNCF and OpenJS Foundation) - Rust Foundation - Bytecode Alliance I don't mean to provide an opinion on incentives (and they are different as the parent suggests). I just mean to share that trade organizations are already common. Disclaimer: I work for SUSE but not…

Small nit but technically OpenJS is a separate 501c6 that is currently managed by the LF, they're not "underneath" the LF in the same way that CNCF is. Not sure why that's the case, probably just historical reasons since they were independent for a long time beforehand? Doesn't seem to change much operationally as they have the normal C6 structure with corporate members, etc.

Re: CIQ, Oracle, SUSE Create Open Enterprise Linux Association

#43
Why would anyone use a server OS that's a fork of another server OS, provided by a group of 3rd-parties with their own competing enterprise distros?

I'm sure there's a reason for it with all the discussions, but if I want to use CentOS, why wouldn't I just use CentOS Stream that RH is providing? If I want RHEL, I'll go get RHEL that afaik is also free. If I want to see the future of RHEL, there's Fedora Server. And if I believed RH was being intentionally hostile, why would I support them at all and not go with a completely unrelated distro like SUSE?

Re: CIQ, Oracle, SUSE Create Open Enterprise Linux Association

#45

OpenSuse is wonderful

What's the differentiator from the Fedora/Centos/RHEL line?

AppArmor vs SELinux

I've ran Ubuntu and openSUSE servers and aside from a profile issue with PHP and openSUSE, I don't know if AppArmor is even protecting anything. Everything just works and it makes me think AppArmor is only applied to specific apps/services and not globally.

SELinux (at least on Fedora) is present, everywhere, and will gladly let you know if something is blocked because of it. I prefer this kind of protection even if it's more annoying at times :p Just a few weeks ago I learned about bin_t and that made my SELinux config for that service a lot more simple.

Re: CIQ, Oracle, SUSE Create Open Enterprise Linux Association

#46

Why would anyone use a server OS that's a fork of another server OS, provided by a group of 3rd-parties with their own competing enterprise distros? I'm sure there's a reason for it with all the discussions, but if I want to use CentOS, why wouldn't I just use CentOS Stream that RH is providing? If I want RHEL, I'll go get RHEL that afaik is also free. If I want to see the future of RHEL, there's Fedora Server. And i…

> If I want RHEL, I'll go get RHEL that afaik is also free.

You can't get RHEL for free.

Re: CIQ, Oracle, SUSE Create Open Enterprise Linux Association

#47

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What's the differentiator from the Fedora/Centos/RHEL line?

For me: yast (easy to use GUI/TUI for many administration tasks — useful for less experienced admins), snapper (filesystem snapshot management tool which automatically creates them before and after package management operations and allows you to boot into them or roll back if anything goes wrong. Quite similar to FreeBSD boot environments.) zypper is probably the best 'classic' package manager there is (although dnf…

I found YaST to get in my way at times; I particularly remember YaST's Network panel hanging because I had StevenBlack's huge HOSTS file. I do like the network panel though for changing static IPs; I had to do some searching to try to figure out how to do that on Fedora, and ended up using Cockpit instead (not sure how to do it cli).

I'm confused on the differences in repo priority between zypper (oS TW) and dnf (Fedora). Apparently dnf also allows setting repo priority, but I've never had to do it, and packages seem to come from expected repos without having to specify (stuff comes from RPM Fusion if I have those repos added). On TW I had to manually specify repo priority to something other than 99 and set a flag to allow vendor changes to have similar behavior; I like that kind of control but I didn't need to do it on Fedora.

OBS is nice in-concept but I don't like the idea of using it outside of openSUSE. I think Launchpad/PPAs for Ubuntu, Copr for Fedora, and AUR for Arch. I think OBS for openSUSE and don't like the idea of using OBS for other distros, even if that's one of the big benefits and point to OBS.

Re: CIQ, Oracle, SUSE Create Open Enterprise Linux Association

#48

Why would anyone use a server OS that's a fork of another server OS, provided by a group of 3rd-parties with their own competing enterprise distros? I'm sure there's a reason for it with all the discussions, but if I want to use CentOS, why wouldn't I just use CentOS Stream that RH is providing? If I want RHEL, I'll go get RHEL that afaik is also free. If I want to see the future of RHEL, there's Fedora Server. And i…

> If I want RHEL, I'll go get RHEL that afaik is also free. You can't get RHEL for free.

Are you sure?

Things I read online say it's free, including https://developers.redhat.com/products/rhel/download

As I understand, the only costs with RHEL include using it across a large number of machines in enterprise, and customer support. Someone using it on a few machines in a home lab should be fine I imagine?

Re: CIQ, Oracle, SUSE Create Open Enterprise Linux Association

#49

Why would anyone use a server OS that's a fork of another server OS, provided by a group of 3rd-parties with their own competing enterprise distros? I'm sure there's a reason for it with all the discussions, but if I want to use CentOS, why wouldn't I just use CentOS Stream that RH is providing? If I want RHEL, I'll go get RHEL that afaik is also free. If I want to see the future of RHEL, there's Fedora Server. And i…

> If I want RHEL, I'll go get RHEL that afaik is also free. You can't get RHEL for free.

Yes you can.

https://www.redhat.com/en/blog/new-year-new-red-hat-enterpri...

Re: CIQ, Oracle, SUSE Create Open Enterprise Linux Association

#50

I like this solution way much better. Now the only player that's missing here is Almalinux. Maybe it's not too late to make a U-turn and join this new group so that Redhat alone can be responsible for contributing to RHEL as intended.

How is red hat being the only contributor a good thing?
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