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Re: The Future of the Vim Project

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Post by hoseja »

OskarS wrote: post #13

My brother passed away very suddenly a few years ago, and I was put in charge of wrapping up and archiving his "digital" life. We were very lucky that we had access to a recovery email for his main gmail account (as well as a couple of passwords that his partner knew) and was able to access and archive virtually all data we could think of (services like Google Takeout were invaluable). I realized that if this had hap…

I'm with the other guy. Your unique pattern of electronic activity has ceased irrecoverably. No need for your patterns of electronic activity in computers to be any different.

Re: The Future of the Vim Project

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Post by infinitezest »

enriquto wrote: post #45
fortunateregard wrote: post #17

What is it that prevents the rest of the vim community from adopting neovim? From what I can observe, a great deal already have. But for the folks holding out, what is it that outweighs all that neovim has to offer?

> what is it that outweighs all that neovim has to offer? You should ask, and answer, the question in reverse. What does neovim offer me, as a regular vim user? I don't see anything particularly interesting for my usage, so I don't have any reason to change. Also, some features are missing (like gvim-gtk, that I enjoy using to edit LaTeX occasionally). Furthermore, as of today, plain vim has an aura of venerability d…

Maybe not important to some but the ability to use Lua over VimScript is a big win in my opinion. In fact, I use a mix of thr two where necessary.

Re: The Future of the Vim Project

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Post by tambourine_man »

fortunateregard wrote: post #17

What is it that prevents the rest of the vim community from adopting neovim? From what I can observe, a great deal already have. But for the folks holding out, what is it that outweighs all that neovim has to offer?

From what I remember, NeoVim drops vi compatibility mode.

vi is part of POSIX. That alone would be a reason to mantain Vim as a modern superset of vi.

Re: The Future of the Vim Project

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Post by lm28469 »

pmckenna wrote: post #37
OskarS wrote: post #13

My brother passed away very suddenly a few years ago, and I was put in charge of wrapping up and archiving his "digital" life. We were very lucky that we had access to a recovery email for his main gmail account (as well as a couple of passwords that his partner knew) and was able to access and archive virtually all data we could think of (services like Google Takeout were invaluable). I realized that if this had hap…

Weirdly this is something I’ve been thinking about a lot recently. I had no idea 1Password provided a recovery kit until you mentioned it. Just had a look and looks good. I’ll definitely go through the steps, but I’m wondering what the best way to store it is. Feels weird keeping a document lying around giving access to all your passwords, bank cards, finances etc. I’ll have a think about storage.

> I had no idea 1Password provided a recovery kit until you mentioned it.

There are people out there with 1password and no recovery kit ? Some people like to live dangerously

Re: The Future of the Vim Project

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Post by petee »

OskarS wrote: post #13

My brother passed away very suddenly a few years ago, and I was put in charge of wrapping up and archiving his "digital" life. We were very lucky that we had access to a recovery email for his main gmail account (as well as a couple of passwords that his partner knew) and was able to access and archive virtually all data we could think of (services like Google Takeout were invaluable). I realized that if this had hap…

Another consideration, when my dad passed we had his passwords but not his phone or tablet pins/patterns.

Both devices are encrypted, and the samsung I believe is set to wipe after a number of failed attempts. While there probably isn't anything on them, it's always been a pain to not know.

Re: The Future of the Vim Project

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Post by anta40 »

zelos wrote: post #51
fortunateregard wrote: post #17

What is it that prevents the rest of the vim community from adopting neovim? From what I can observe, a great deal already have. But for the folks holding out, what is it that outweighs all that neovim has to offer?

I've switched to Neovim, but there doesn't seem to be a macOS UI nvim client that's quite as polished as MacVim.

That's why I still keep vim updated on my mac system. For nvim, the closest one I found is VimR.

Re: The Future of the Vim Project

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Post by The_Colonel »

oblio wrote: post #8
meitham wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There’s no future to Vim without Bram. A merge of the two fork’s isn’t what Bram has wanted, but it’s the best way to keep Vim alive

I wouldn't be so dismissive. Vim is a marquee project, tons of hackers will want to contribute because it's cool or because they want to have that name on their CV.

> tons of hackers will want to contribute because it's cool

It's one thing to contribute a couple of PRs/patches, a very different thing to spend a large part of your free time on the project for years (which is what Bram did to make vim what it is).

These projects are no joke and a few hurray contributors not lasting more than a couple of months won't cut it.

Re: The Future of the Vim Project

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Post by The_Colonel »

meitham wrote: post #6
kzrdude wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why not? vim and neovim have been separate for a long time already, wouldn't it work to continue like that?

There’s no future to Vim without Bram. A merge of the two fork’s isn’t what Bram has wanted, but it’s the best way to keep Vim alive

Time will tell, but I think vim is likely to fade away with slow development pace. People are all sentimental right now, but we'll see how many of them will remain in a couple of years still committing to vim daily.

Looking at the commit history, vim was largely a one-man show, I'm a bit skeptical about that changing basically overnight.

Re: The Future of the Vim Project

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Post by kemotep »

bombcar wrote: post #44
OJFord wrote: post #42

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Banks are the last thing I'd worry about (I wouldn't) - they're highly regulated, audited, and have been dealing with this forever, since before 'passwords'.

I have no worry about the funds being lost. It’s just imagining my heirs having to contact and close fifty+ accounts.

Additionally, if you don’t list a beneficiary on any of these accounts, they have to go through probate court to gain access. The fewer hurdles and headaches that your loved ones have to go through the better. Having dealt with this early this past year with a family member, having the list of “chores” to do upon passing helps and reduces the headaches. Especially if those funds are necessary to pay for the sudden bills that a funeral and so on can bring up.
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