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If you travel to China, be aware of an exit ban

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Re: If you travel to China, be aware of an exit ban

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Post by richbell »

woooooo wrote: post #114
richbell wrote: post #110

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> But british hacking groups would never ever be arrested for doing the same thing. Sure they would. What makes you think otherwise?

Is that a serious question? Russian state-sponsored hackers oppose American interests. British, the opposite.

You're just making stuff up now.

Also, your response has nothing to do with your original claim that it's unfair to arrest a non-American citizen for actions committed outside of US soil for something that is not illegal in their home country.

Re: If you travel to China, be aware of an exit ban

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Post by _lvbh »

I lived in China for a few years and only recently left. No exit bans for foreigners unless you commit a crime or owe debt there.

It’s a completely different story for Chinese nationals. Many are barred from exiting the country to the point where many Malaysian travel agencies (small/family owned ones) have gone bankrupt (due to outsized reliance on Chinese customers)

Re: If you travel to China, be aware of an exit ban

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Post by refurb »

defrost wrote: post #129
refurb wrote: post #127

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I'm not sure I'd call a rare occurrence where the US courts are prosecuting the perpetrator anything similar to a state-sanctioned system of oppression.

Each and every rare occurrence of a US police shooting goes toward the US having the highest per capita police killing stats in the G20. Compare the per capita deaths at the hands of the police figures for the US against the UK, Australia, France, Germany, Japan, etc. There's a staggering jump. Once again the US excels.

You realize the US could be the highest, but it's still exceptionally rare right?

1,100 in 2022. So about 2.5% of the chance of dying in a car accident.

I don't wake up worried about dying in a car accident.

Re: If you travel to China, be aware of an exit ban

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Post by defrost »

refurb wrote: post #133
defrost wrote: post #129

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Each and every rare occurrence of a US police shooting goes toward the US having the highest per capita police killing stats in the G20. Compare the per capita deaths at the hands of the police figures for the US against the UK, Australia, France, Germany, Japan, etc. There's a staggering jump. Once again the US excels.

You realize the US could be the highest, but it's still exceptionally rare right? 1,100 in 2022. So about 2.5% of the chance of dying in a car accident. I don't wake up worried about dying in a car accident.

It's exceptionally rare in other civilised countries, in the USA it's an order of magnitude more common.

You've somehow normalised your own employees killing your own citizens.

Re: If you travel to China, be aware of an exit ban

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Post by refurb »

defrost wrote: post #134
refurb wrote: post #133

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You realize the US could be the highest, but it's still exceptionally rare right? 1,100 in 2022. So about 2.5% of the chance of dying in a car accident. I don't wake up worried about dying in a car accident.

It's exceptionally rare in other civilised countries, in the USA it's an order of magnitude more common. You've somehow normalised your own employees killing your own citizens.

It's not "orders of magnitude bigger". Canada is half of the US per capita rate. So is Luxembourg. Are Canada and Luxembourg "uncivilized"?

And an exceptionally rare event that is 2-10x more common is still exceptionally rare.

Don't scare monger.

Re: If you travel to China, be aware of an exit ban

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Post by ImPostingOnHN »

foverzar wrote: post #97
MerelyMortal wrote: post #93

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> allegedly owing money to a Chinese company, or being in some other sort of dispute with a Chinese company or individual. 'Pay my extortion fee, or I'll tell the government that you owe me money or we have a dispute, then you will miss your flight and you'll have to buy new, more expensive plane tickets.'

This kind of scam can be pulled off in any country.

No it can't.

Re: If you travel to China, be aware of an exit ban

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Post by ImPostingOnHN »

airgapstopgap wrote: post #117
canucker2016 wrote: post #27

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As long as you or any relation/acquaintance/company/nation you belong to do not offend China, you're cool. Case in point: the two Michaels from Canada detained 'suddenly' after a Huawei executive was detained in Canada in relation to a US govt case: https://globalnews.ca/news/8224094/canada-china-two-michaels... Though a third Canadian had his conviction retried to a worse sentence - death.

Do you not consider that Huawei "executive's" detention (actual makes for a similar case against Canada? It was a purely political move, Meng Wanzhou was detained on grounds of a broader anti-Huawei campaign by the US.

Meng committed a crime she knew she wasn't supposed to commit

Do you not consider that China retaliating by arresting arbitrary civilians from a totally different country and ransoming them back for their criminal executive is wrong?

Re: If you travel to China, be aware of an exit ban

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Post by ImPostingOnHN »

woooooo wrote: post #64
richbell wrote: post #63

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> Why is it just accepted that Huawei executives can be detained by the west, though? The claim behind that at least appeared to have merit, so she — ostensibly — wasn't just detained because someone didn't like her. She also enjoyed the full benefit of the western legal system and lived lavishly, meanwhile the two Michaels were basically political prisoners. https://www.reuters.com/article/us-huawei-iran-sanctions-e…

Neither she nor the nation of China are party to sanctions on Iran. They have no obligations to follow American foreign policy. If you're saying, ultimately, "because we can", then fine but that's not great moral ground.

was she in China at the time?

no?

then Chinese laws and Chinese-imposed sanctions (or lack thereof) don't apply, and Canada is under no obligations to follow Chinese foreign policy

Re: If you travel to China, be aware of an exit ban

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Post by ImPostingOnHN »

woooooo wrote: post #101
seanmcdirmid wrote: post #95

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Huawei decided to import HP components from the USA and re-export them to Iran to get around US sanctions. Huawei also has a presence in the USA, but in general the USA subjects any company re-exporting American stuff to sanctioned countries as breaking American law, and actually so does China. Now...let's say some American executive happened to be in China and China accused this company of re-exporting something mad…

To be clear, I'm not comparing China and the US broadly. I'm saying with the Huawei exec, we started it and we were over the line. Arresting a foreign national for activities not on our soil which are not illegal in their home country, just because we had the opportunity to grab her. Almost any other topic they are worse than us on legal fairness issues.

> I'm saying with the Huawei exec, we started it and we were over the line

this false narrative claiming a false equivalence was debunked in the below post:

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=37071505

Re: If you travel to China, be aware of an exit ban

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Post by ydnaclementine »

nimbius wrote: post #34

Low quality "china scary" article that basically reiterates something that is true in virtually all five eyes and shengen countries. Violate the law and you can be held for criminal prosecution.

Looks like you dropped this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mJmjljQP3oY
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