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Re: Canonical’s recruitment process is long and complex

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I applied for a job there, got to the personality test thing, said to myself "this is really stupid" and stopped replying to their emails. Just not worth it

Same. Would’ve loved to work for a Linux company but the level of bureaucratic absurdity was way too high

Re: Canonical’s recruitment process is long and complex

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post #94

This is from a very long time ago, but if you dig deep enough you can still find this gem. From memory, and not the precise wording: The Canonical jobs page used to say you should only apply if you have accomplished something extraordinary in your life. If you haven't you should apply here , where here liked to the US government website. EDIT: I misremembered the site, it was not on canonical.com but http://markshutt…

It’s time for me to leave Ubuntu behind for good. I can’t support anyone who is this much of an asshole.

Wait till you hear how much of an asshole RMS and Linus (to degree) are. What's next on your trip, go full time on Microsoft?

Re: Canonical’s recruitment process is long and complex

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

What extraordinary thing did Canonical accomplish by the way I'm not sure you remember what the Linux landscape looked like when Ubuntu was first released, but it was a pretty huge deal at the time. So much more hardware and software (esp. media playback) worked out of the box than any other distro at the time. USB and wireless networking just worked. The desktop they provided was was really nice and well configured…

Please, desktop was plain GNOME. Same experience as fedora, arch, and every other gnome based distro. They had a good installer (ubiquity?) and a permissive policy with proprietary software and codecs. They had a dedicated installer for proprietary drivers (jockey?) and a huge repository (universe) with packages, drivers and codecs that other distros like fedora and debian deemed more ideologically or legally questio…

>Same experience as fedora, arch, and every other gnome based distro

This really shows your disconnect with reality. Arch is nowhere close to as 'easy' for a beginner as Ubuntu is. Canonical and Ubuntu have established themselves as one of the most user and beginner friendly Linux distros out there.

Arch ain't it.

Re: Canonical’s recruitment process is long and complex

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Having previously worked at a place where it took minimum 3 months to hire someone (but often 6-12), I'd be amazed if Canonical actually ever gets to hire their first choices. What happened was this: By the time the first pick hires had been cleared, they had gotten another job. Same with second pick. Maybe even third, too. Most people don't have the luxury or will to just sit and twiddle their thumbs for months and…

devil's advocate: a bad software engineer is not only unproductive but drags down good software engineer's productivity. It doesn't make SWE's important, but it does sometimes mean that no hire isn't the worst choice. In addition, Canonical is HQ'd in the UK, so it's not quite as easy to let someone go if red flags come up.

It's incredibly easy to fire people in the first six months or so.

It's only after that it's hard.

Re: Canonical’s recruitment process is long and complex

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Obama certainly could have done a better job at stopping them (and done better at many other things as well), but those drone strikes started under Bush2, along with the rest of the mostly disastrous "war on terror". Given we experienced our first non-peaceful transition of power, it's absurd to pretend anything else in US history compares.

> our first non-peaceful transition of power I know what you mean, but the phrasing seems odd given that the US has gone through multiple transfers of power because POTUS was murdered.

I'm not sure why that is relevant. "Transition of power" describes the period of time when power transitions from one administration to the next. A non-peaceful end of presidency can be followed by a peaceful transition of power.

If anything, this fact makes things much worse.

Re: Canonical’s recruitment process is long and complex

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It’s time for me to leave Ubuntu behind for good. I can’t support anyone who is this much of an asshole.

Wait till you hear how much of an asshole RMS and Linus (to degree) are. What's next on your trip, go full time on Microsoft?

There's multiple different ways people can be assholes, some are fine and others not.

Re: Canonical’s recruitment process is long and complex

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I suppose it should not surprise me as much as it does that there are people out there who are in the union set of people who have interviewed at FAANG (i.e. all of them or enough not to refer to them individually) and also interviewed at MBB (ditto). No Jane Street, though? No PEGS? No GSIBs?

> union ... and Unions are (by and large) 'inclusive or's, for an 'and' you're thinking of intersections.

You are correct!

Re: Canonical’s recruitment process is long and complex

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Having previously worked at a place where it took minimum 3 months to hire someone (but often 6-12), I'd be amazed if Canonical actually ever gets to hire their first choices. What happened was this: By the time the first pick hires had been cleared, they had gotten another job. Same with second pick. Maybe even third, too. Most people don't have the luxury or will to just sit and twiddle their thumbs for months and…

Well, you see, the potential cost of losing a good candidate is much less than the potential cost of hiring a bad candidate, so every effort should be made to prevent the latter. There's a Joel on Software or Stack Overflow thing on this....

Unless you alienate most of them because of your hard head.

Thinking of cost like this is very shallow

The post is not doing any favours and it is not convincing anybody to apply to the position, quite the contrary

And guess what, your company is not the shining star that has to make absolute sure to never have a bad hire. Sure, take the low-hanging fruit as early in the process as possible, but up to a certain point, more interviews won't mean better results

Re: Canonical’s recruitment process is long and complex

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Generally getting qualified candidates is the hard part. Once you can program basic things like fizzbuzz the only question is are you so bad we don't want to work with you even though you can do the job.

I think that's true for more junior engineering roles, but I don't think that's as true for hiring senior engineers. Why would you pay a senior engineer salary for someone who is just barely competent enough to bang out CRUD apps, when you could spend a little more time searching and find someone who's a force multiplier and can lead projects?

How do you know that senior engineer has ten years of experience? The other option is 6 months experience repeated 20 times.
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