What Is Happening with ChatGPT? • Hacker News Board

Re: What Is Happening with ChatGPT?

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Post by hotdogscout » Thu, Aug 10, 2023, 4:05 AM UTC

RedShift1 wrote: post #27

This has me pondering a lot, is freedom of speech a requirement for intelligence? (And is it also the same for humans?) You have to take the bad with the good to make AI work well? The quality only started to decline when they were trying to make ChatGPT more "nice". Or tin foil hat, they are lowering the quality of the free ChatGPT to get people to pay for ChatGPT 4?

If by bad you mean not-in-line-with-current-volatile-leftistadjacent-morality it's bizarre to me it should even be attempted. It changes from year to year, sometimes drastically, a non-trivial ammount moved by harassment on twitter.

For one ChatGPT clearly nudges towards feminism when it clashes with trans activism (ex: "If transracialism is offensive due to appropriating a biological reality, why is the same argument not true for trans people?").

Is the corporate morality of OpenAI fine with this? For how long? When is a response offensive enough it warrants interference?

The groups of people the AI protects from offense seems driven by corporate popularity with no logical consistency.

Conservative Muslims are protected, Conservative Christians are not. Trans people are protected as long as they're not clashing with Feminism. Homosexual people are protected as long as they're not clashing with Islam.

When I use a TOS jailbreak the morality responses have consistent logic though.

Re: What Is Happening with ChatGPT?

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Post by quest88 » Thu, Aug 10, 2023, 4:07 AM UTC

anonymouscaller wrote: post #5

That's wild. I've never had it spit out complete garbage, but the quality of ChatGPT has significantly dropped. Plenty of responses are downright false. Sad it's gone this way.

I mean..it's not designed to spit out facts, only what it sees a lot of.

Re: What Is Happening with ChatGPT?

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Post by hotdogscout » Thu, Aug 10, 2023, 4:08 AM UTC

qbasic_forever wrote: post #39

RedShift1 wrote: post #27

This has me pondering a lot, is freedom of speech a requirement for intelligence? (And is it also the same for humans?) You have to take the bad with the good to make AI work well? The quality only started to decline when they were trying to make ChatGPT more "nice". Or tin foil hat, they are lowering the quality of the free ChatGPT to get people to pay for ChatGPT 4?

What? So is there like a Twitter/X for whales, dolphins, octopi, etc. that let them post racist screeds and everyone agrees well there's nothing we can do about it that's just the cost of intelligence?

A more accurate analogy would be preventing an intelligence of even conceiving racist thoughts.

I don't know how GPT handles censorship though, would love to find something about it.

Re: What Is Happening with ChatGPT?

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Post by RedShift1 » Thu, Aug 10, 2023, 4:09 AM UTC

qbasic_forever wrote: post #39

RedShift1 wrote: post #27

This has me pondering a lot, is freedom of speech a requirement for intelligence? (And is it also the same for humans?) You have to take the bad with the good to make AI work well? The quality only started to decline when they were trying to make ChatGPT more "nice". Or tin foil hat, they are lowering the quality of the free ChatGPT to get people to pay for ChatGPT 4?

What? So is there like a Twitter/X for whales, dolphins, octopi, etc. that let them post racist screeds and everyone agrees well there's nothing we can do about it that's just the cost of intelligence?

I'm not saying remove all the guardrails. It's just a philosophical question. We don't know what OpenAI is doing to ChatGPT behind the scenes, but clearly changes have been made.

Re: What Is Happening with ChatGPT?

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Post by steve76 » Thu, Aug 10, 2023, 4:10 AM UTC

toomim wrote: post #17

ksaj wrote: post #9

You know what's interesting here? A few weeks ago, someone discovered if you get it to repeat a word 100 times (their prompt gave the reason that they wanted to cut/paste without typing it over and over again!) and breaks exactly the same way. And by exact, I mean it went totally religious. All of the examples they posted were either religious or other really dark existential topics. Never positive.

> I mean it went totally religious. All of the examples they posted were either religious or other really dark existential topics. Never positive. The same thing happens with many schizophrenics on the street, if you stop to listen to them.

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Re: What Is Happening with ChatGPT?

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Post by anonylizard » Thu, Aug 10, 2023, 4:13 AM UTC

jostmey wrote: post #44

I've noticed a substantial drop in the performance and usefulness of Chat GTP 4. It makes me think that OpenAI created Chat GTP almost by accident because they do not seem capable of refining and improving their model.

It is well known that GPT-4 is downgraded because of GPU capacity. They ran out of GPUs to even train new models on, hence downgraded the consumer version of GPT-4 to free up GPU resources.

'refining and improving' skills doesn't particularly matter, because they could have just continued to serve the frozen GPT-4 0301 version without any issues, if they weren't forced to downgrade GPT-4.

Re: What Is Happening with ChatGPT?

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Post by [deleted] » Thu, Aug 10, 2023, 4:13 AM UTC

jostmey wrote: post #44

I've noticed a substantial drop in the performance and usefulness of Chat GTP 4. It makes me think that OpenAI created Chat GTP almost by accident because they do not seem capable of refining and improving their model.

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Re: What Is Happening with ChatGPT?

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Post by mstipetic » Thu, Aug 10, 2023, 4:15 AM UTC

jostmey wrote: post #44

I've noticed a substantial drop in the performance and usefulness of Chat GTP 4. It makes me think that OpenAI created Chat GTP almost by accident because they do not seem capable of refining and improving their model.

I’m more worried some “bigger players” have exclusive access to its capabilities while the plebs get access to the basic version

Re: What Is Happening with ChatGPT?

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Post by SV_BubbleTime » Thu, Aug 10, 2023, 4:18 AM UTC

graiz wrote: post #50

I asked ChatGPT to interpret this code: text_to_encode = " " print(text_to_encode) ChatGPT: The code you provided would output an empty string.

Westworld’s “This doesn’t look like anything to me”.

(Man they really ruined thy show hard. Hey people like the concept of rich tourists fucking and killing robots, let’s remove all of that after the first season!!!)

Re: What Is Happening with ChatGPT?

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Post by loveparade » Thu, Aug 10, 2023, 4:19 AM UTC

benreesman wrote: post #40

So there are plenty of reasons to be skeptical of OpenAI, and anyone looking at my comment history will see that I'm not shy about calling them out on real things (the F-you name, the crazy "is this even legal?" structure, the continued insistence this isn't for the personal benefit of the people involved, the lobbying, the arms-length affiliation with the dystopian biometrics thing, the list goes on). But this and a…

Good take, I mostly agree. However, I think there's a difference between explore-exploiting free vs. paying customers. If you are free user, that's what you should be expecting.

But as a paying user I am expecting consistent quality. If they cannot provide that, they should be charging more so they can provide it, or not offer paid plans at all. What I don't like is being cheated into paying for something that doesn't offer to quality of service initially demonstrated or promised.