Exactly! It's like Musk demanding everyone comes into the office while he is only in the office at individual companies 1 or 2 times a week. CEO of Tesla, a publicly traded company spends all his time in the privately held offices of Twitter. Can other of his company employees work multiple jobs including their own personal company? If the answer is no then it's 100% a class thing
The funniest bit to me is that Musk owning and working as the CEO of multiple companies is admitting that CEOs don’t actually do much tangible work.
He bought the company from Jack Dorsey, who did the absentee CEO thing first.
Not everything is a class dynamic. “Analyst at GS hanging out in the Hamptons” doesn’t scream working class. The CEO and analyst are both upper class, just different levels of power and seniority. That CEO is just a power-tripping asshole.
Have you heard of phrases like "old money" and "new money"? Or "upper middle" and "lower upper"? The reason they're used more is because there is a very clear distinction between groups even at high levels of wealth due to the need to socially signal. This is what causes CEOs to flip out that an analyst is trying to casually talk to them at a non-work event as if they are equals. This is class dynamics in action, it'…
People who like WFH will never want to return to the office unless perhaps the office is a 5 minute walk from home (they may be forced to, but they won't want to). For many people the time and cost savings of avoiding a daily commute cannot be offset by a nicer office. Those who are happy to return to the office in general are those who do not like WFH and prefer more contacts and a change of scenery. A nicer office…
Friendly reminder that if you work an 8 hour day and you have a 24 minute one-way commute (average US commute is 27.6), WFH is equivalent to a 10% raise just from the elimination of commute time. Realistically, with the various conveniences and avoided expenses, it's likely closer to a 20% raise for most people.
That employers aren't jumping for joy that they can offer such a massive benefit for essentially free (if not save money themselves) is astounding.
People who like WFH will never want to return to the office unless perhaps the office is a 5 minute walk from home (they may be forced to, but they won't want to). For many people the time and cost savings of avoiding a daily commute cannot be offset by a nicer office. Those who are happy to return to the office in general are those who do not like WFH and prefer more contacts and a change of scenery. A nicer office…
I'm all for work from home, and have doing it for over 10 years, but we shouldn't ignore the cost of donating an entire room of your house to your employer (two in my case since my wife also wfh). Certainly this should factor into your total comp calculation as -(rent amount in your area). Likely it is more than you would spend on the commute. Employers are well aware they are colonizing your private space for free.…
If you went into the office, you'd still be paying for your empty rooms.
While spending more time at home may lead to a marginal increase in expenses for utilities, compared to the cost of commuting they would be a rounding error.
> Hotel desks for the entire office basically. So your office is crappy? Similar story for my office. It's very close, but the facilities people made it terrible to work from. Why go in when I would get half as much work done?
Sorry, I think I used the wrong term. The desks we have are basically not assigned anyone permanently and are available as long as someone else hasn't reserved it for the day. I don't mean literal desks that they have at hotels. The office is rather nice TBH.
I'm not the person you're replying to, but Hotel Desks like this are a worse experience than having assigned desks. You have to adjust your chair and ergonomics every time you go into the office? What a pain in the ass.
So many of the comments are acting as though the underling employee actually is of a different class. I'd bet anything this young person is used to having his family name make him welcome at any table he wishes to join, even in the Hamptons. He's on the well-worn path through a brief stint as a junior analyst before he's running some bank or hedge fund somewhere and the CEO of GS hesitates to approach his table. This…
You just made up a scenario that has a less than 50% probability of being true, in order to.. come to the defense of a CEO worth $100M+ ? LOL cmon man.
Idk that it was a defence of the CEO. Whatever class the analyst belongs to or thinks they belongs to, the CEO's behavior was clearly out of proportion.
So many of the comments are acting as though the underling employee actually is of a different class. I'd bet anything this young person is used to having his family name make him welcome at any table he wishes to join, even in the Hamptons. He's on the well-worn path through a brief stint as a junior analyst before he's running some bank or hedge fund somewhere and the CEO of GS hesitates to approach his table. This…
You just made up a scenario that has a less than 50% probability of being true, in order to.. come to the defense of a CEO worth $100M+ ? LOL cmon man.
I don't really care too much about what class X is considered, but it sure it weird trying to frame a 23YO making 200k out of college in the same sorts of language used to describe people on minimum wage barely affording rent.
Do people really think the "middle class" is dead? I feel middle class is an apt descriptor for someone who is living comfortably but also still needs to work to maintain their lifestyle.
Is that a bad thing? Since we started WFH, I’ve heard a lot of stories of oncalls spending an hour on things that could have been handled in 5 seconds if the right person had gotten sucked in on the way back from coffee. “Oh, I recognize this bug from two years ago, here’s what you gotta do.” “That customer’s symptoms are impossible, ask for more details on how they’re doing suchandsuch because they must be leaving s…
What you describe is a completely different problem which happens to (poorly, inconsistently and costly) happens to sometimes get solved by open office space. Having proper knowledge bases and procedures, including how the ask "the team"/seniors "ad-hoc" questions and get feedback reasonable fast is what you want to have to solve that problems IMHO. Because that also tends to work if e.g. some people are sick or gone…
I'm just not sure that there's any way to build a knowledge base that can fully replace asking seniors ad-hoc questions workflow. I've worked at places with amazing build tooling, monitoring, etc., and they still never came close to solving it. (This is actually the primary reason I'm excited about LLMs - I don't particularly enjoy the ad-hoc questions part of my job and they seem like the most promising avenue to finally solve it.)