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Re: Canonical’s recruitment process is long and complex

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Post by unpopular42 »

Eisenstein wrote: post #332
unpopular42 wrote: post #318

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Please explain how skin color is relevant in the interview context and why it was specifically mentioned in the original post. Please explain how skin color is different from race for the purpose of this discussion.

The specific term was 'demographic', your quote did not include the word race. EDIT: Upon re-reading... are you really asking me to explain why skin color is part of a demographic? I guess I glossed over that because it doesn't make sense unless youwant to imply that mentioning 'white' in the context of other demographic variables like age and location is racist...in which case, census forms are racist.

> are you really asking me to explain why skin color is part of a demographic

No, I didn't ask that.

Re: Canonical’s recruitment process is long and complex

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Post by JohnFen »

matheusmoreira wrote: post #323
TrackerFF wrote: post #175

Having previously worked at a place where it took minimum 3 months to hire someone (but often 6-12), I'd be amazed if Canonical actually ever gets to hire their first choices. What happened was this: By the time the first pick hires had been cleared, they had gotten another job. Same with second pick. Maybe even third, too. Most people don't have the luxury or will to just sit and twiddle their thumbs for months and…

So why do these companies insist on these incredibly long hiring processes? Clearly it must not be working if candidates are moving on before they're hired.

My assumption is that they do it to select for the types of employees that will put up with nonsense. I know that sounds like I'm being flip, but I'm not.

There are tons of companies that don't do this (at least in the US), though, so there's no real reason to put up with it.

Re: Canonical’s recruitment process is long and complex

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Post by klntsky »

Alupis wrote: post #250
TrackerFF wrote: post #175

Having previously worked at a place where it took minimum 3 months to hire someone (but often 6-12), I'd be amazed if Canonical actually ever gets to hire their first choices. What happened was this: By the time the first pick hires had been cleared, they had gotten another job. Same with second pick. Maybe even third, too. Most people don't have the luxury or will to just sit and twiddle their thumbs for months and…

There's a point you may be missing - they're seeking fanatical Canonical fans that share in a common vision. Their lengthy process might mean they don't get your typical fast-flying FAANG engineer, but it does mean they get someone who's a die-hard Canonical fan.

> $X is bad

> $X bad on purpose

> $X is made to appear bad for those who are not die-hard $X fans

You just invented a consipracy theory that has surprisingly huge explanative power in modern world

Re: Canonical’s recruitment process is long and complex

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Post by iraqmtpizza »

hluska wrote: post #94
weinzierl wrote: post #10

This is from a very long time ago, but if you dig deep enough you can still find this gem. From memory, and not the precise wording: The Canonical jobs page used to say you should only apply if you have accomplished something extraordinary in your life. If you haven't you should apply here , where here liked to the US government website. EDIT: I misremembered the site, it was not on canonical.com but http://markshutt…

It’s time for me to leave Ubuntu behind for good. I can’t support anyone who is this much of an asshole.

he's an asshole because he wants to work with extraordinary people and made fun of george bush?

Re: Canonical’s recruitment process is long and complex

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Post by kragen »

Alupis wrote: post #338
kragen wrote: post #329

Earlier quoted context omitted.

i installed ubuntu or kubuntu on most of my new machines since it came out, but for my newest install i picked debian instead, especially since the softening of the debian social contract eliminated most of the install hassles because i usually use xpdf for pdf files and ubuntu dropped it https://askubuntu.com/questions/1245518/how-to-install-xpdf-... i was skeptical about ubuntu's business prospects when mark pitche…

If you were looking for a new job today, would you tolerate an 81 day process like the OP did? My guess is probably not, unless you were just in love with Canonical and their mission (ie. it was your dream job). Most available top-tier talent can land a job in much less than 81 days with much less effort at much more prestigious places... and they won't wait around for an average offer like what will come from Canoni…

yeah, i would, unless i were desperate to get some income (as in fact i am right now, but almost never have been)

like, yeah, if i had just been laid off and i was trying to get two or three offers on the table at the same time so i could choose between them, getting me an offer in a couple of weeks instead of three months would be crucial

but usually when i've interviewed for a job, i've already had another job, or at least hourly contract work sufficient to pay the bills

Re: Canonical’s recruitment process is long and complex

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Post by dang »

unpopular42 wrote: post #96

> exactly how unbiased is it when every person I interviewed with was exactly my demographic? (White, female, American/western European) Please could someone explain how is this, claiming that someone's race and ethnicity defines their bias, not in itself racist?

Can you please not take HN threads on generic tangents or into flamewar? The site guidelines contain several rules designed to prevent this kind of thing - for example:

"Eschew flamebait. Avoid generic tangents."

"Please don't pick the most provocative thing in an article or post to complain about in the thread. Find something interesting to respond to instead."

You started a flamewar with here and perpetuated it downthread. We're trying to avoid these things on HN as they are tedious, repetitive, and predictably turn nasty. If you wouldn't mind reviewing https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html and taking the intended spirit of the site more to heart, we'd be grateful.

Re: Canonical’s recruitment process is long and complex

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Post by dang »

Eisenstein wrote: post #330
unpopular42 wrote: post #321

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You don't know that. "White" can mean either, but it didn't matter because both interpretations are equally bad. See for example https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_people Replace race with skin color in the GP comment, the point still stands

You are bringing up race specifically and you are making the value judgements and then attributing it to the author. Everything you have been doing has been to prove a (bad) point in bad faith in order to fuel some culture war issue.

Please don't perpetuate flamewars on HN or use the site for ideological battle. We've had to ask you this before. Also, please don't break the site guidelines regardless of what another commenter has been doing.

https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

Re: Canonical’s recruitment process is long and complex

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Post by dang »

unpopular42 wrote: post #340
Eisenstein wrote: post #330

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You are bringing up race specifically and you are making the value judgements and then attributing it to the author. Everything you have been doing has been to prove a (bad) point in bad faith in order to fuel some culture war issue.

Now you are just lying and calling names. I'll try one more time before I give up. The original author wrote the word "white", not me. There are many ways to segment a population - that's demographics. Having "white" as the segmentation criteria and claiming that it affects whether the demographic is biased for an interview sounds very racist to me. Your opinion that this argument is in bad faith or in order to fuel…

You broke the site guidelines in several places in this thread, but here you crossed the line very badly. We ban accounts that attack others like this, so please don't do it again.

https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

Re: Canonical’s recruitment process is long and complex

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Post by christophilus »

paulddraper wrote: post #322
KineticLensman wrote: post #223

Earlier quoted context omitted.

A lot can happen in three months. My wife interviewed years ago for a UK govt research agency. They took three months to respond but did eventually set up an on-site interview. She went along anyway. HR met her at the gate and took her to the office of the person who owned the opportunity. When they arrived and there was no-one at his desk it turned out that he had died two months earlier and that the HR drone hadn't…

> there was no-one at his desk Sounds like a vacancy

Yeah. I thought the story would end with the HR person saying, “Oh. Turns out Bob died. I guess you’re hired. Have Bob’s office.”
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