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Re: Canonical’s recruitment process is long and complex

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Post by Joel_Mckay »

itronitron wrote: post #90
Joel_Mckay wrote: post #49

This is not the worst process I’ve seen, but likely the funniest stats bleeder scam I've seen in years. “How would you change the company?” Replace the bureaucracy with a 1 page web-form, fire most process management/agents, and hire more developers on a small per-project basis at first. If managers have to try this hard to remain mission relevant, there is likely a deeper issue with the business side. Also, Canonica…

Can you elaborate on what a "stats bleeder scam" is?

The antithesis of moral intellectualism, and an amalgamation of several cognitive biases.

Perhaps you wanted a more pleasing answer... but Deconstructionism is rarely productive.

Best regards =)

Re: Canonical’s recruitment process is long and complex

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Post by Eisenstein »

unpopular42 wrote: post #318
Eisenstein wrote: post #297

Earlier quoted context omitted.

She mentioned demographics and one aspect of that was skin color. You are the one focused on race.

Please explain how skin color is relevant in the interview context and why it was specifically mentioned in the original post. Please explain how skin color is different from race for the purpose of this discussion.

The specific term was 'demographic', your quote did not include the word race.

EDIT: Upon re-reading... are you really asking me to explain why skin color is part of a demographic? I guess I glossed over that because it doesn't make sense unless youwant to imply that mentioning 'white' in the context of other demographic variables like age and location is racist...in which case, census forms are racist.

Re: Canonical’s recruitment process is long and complex

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Post by triyambakam »

keyle wrote: post #315
KineticLensman wrote: post #223

Earlier quoted context omitted.

A lot can happen in three months. My wife interviewed years ago for a UK govt research agency. They took three months to respond but did eventually set up an on-site interview. She went along anyway. HR met her at the gate and took her to the office of the person who owned the opportunity. When they arrived and there was no-one at his desk it turned out that he had died two months earlier and that the HR drone hadn't…

Wowsa. That reads like a B movie noir comedy.

I would watch it!

Re: Canonical’s recruitment process is long and complex

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Post by bloaf »

mcguire wrote: post #249
TrackerFF wrote: post #175

Having previously worked at a place where it took minimum 3 months to hire someone (but often 6-12), I'd be amazed if Canonical actually ever gets to hire their first choices. What happened was this: By the time the first pick hires had been cleared, they had gotten another job. Same with second pick. Maybe even third, too. Most people don't have the luxury or will to just sit and twiddle their thumbs for months and…

Well, you see, the potential cost of losing a good candidate is much less than the potential cost of hiring a bad candidate, so every effort should be made to prevent the latter. There's a Joel on Software or Stack Overflow thing on this....

Which is fine, but the point here is that as you increase the onerousness of your interview process you don't just get diminishing returns, your ability to attract good people at all actually declines past some point. Qualified people have other options.

Re: Canonical’s recruitment process is long and complex

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Post by smeagull »

TrackerFF wrote: post #175

Having previously worked at a place where it took minimum 3 months to hire someone (but often 6-12), I'd be amazed if Canonical actually ever gets to hire their first choices. What happened was this: By the time the first pick hires had been cleared, they had gotten another job. Same with second pick. Maybe even third, too. Most people don't have the luxury or will to just sit and twiddle their thumbs for months and…

Actually if you're slow enough, you can get them the next time around.

I've had it before where I got an offer when I was in a job search from a place I approached from the last time I was in a job search.

Re: Canonical’s recruitment process is long and complex

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Post by barbariangrunge »

TrackerFF wrote: post #175

Having previously worked at a place where it took minimum 3 months to hire someone (but often 6-12), I'd be amazed if Canonical actually ever gets to hire their first choices. What happened was this: By the time the first pick hires had been cleared, they had gotten another job. Same with second pick. Maybe even third, too. Most people don't have the luxury or will to just sit and twiddle their thumbs for months and…

Finally a good use case for gpt: filling out 41 paragraphs of q&a sent to you by people who disrespect you

Re: Canonical’s recruitment process is long and complex

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Post by rcbdev »

Invictus0 wrote: post #213
OkayPhysicist wrote: post #211

Earlier quoted context omitted.

My current job was less than a week between my application and signing the final offer. Day 1: I send in an application. Day 2: My future manager writes back "Hey, do you have any work examples in obscure language I used for 10 minutes in my EE classes ?". I respond "No, nobody has work examples in obscure language ." Later that day, same manager emails me again, asking the same question, in slightly different words.…

This is so unusual it borders on unbelievable

I was hired on the spot after a 15 minute interview at a huge international bank. If they really like your profile this can happen.

Re: Canonical’s recruitment process is long and complex

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Post by Alupis »

kragen wrote: post #329
Alupis wrote: post #275

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Who's a die-hard Mozilla fan? People who love Ubuntu, tend to love Ubuntu. A very long hiring process pretty much ensures the only ones still waiting around are the ones who really want to work at Canonical.

i installed ubuntu or kubuntu on most of my new machines since it came out, but for my newest install i picked debian instead, especially since the softening of the debian social contract eliminated most of the install hassles because i usually use xpdf for pdf files and ubuntu dropped it https://askubuntu.com/questions/1245518/how-to-install-xpdf-... i was skeptical about ubuntu's business prospects when mark pitche…

If you were looking for a new job today, would you tolerate an 81 day process like the OP did? My guess is probably not, unless you were just in love with Canonical and their mission (ie. it was your dream job).

Most available top-tier talent can land a job in much less than 81 days with much less effort at much more prestigious places... and they won't wait around for an average offer like what will come from Canonical.

By dragging out their process, Canonical either intentionally or unintentionally limits themselves to people who really just love Canonical and it's mission (and/or people like Mark). Additionally, this lengthy process ensures the most desirable candidates self-eliminate from the pool due to accepting offers elsewhere in the meantime.

Re: Canonical’s recruitment process is long and complex

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Post by setgree »

ghaff wrote: post #309
setgree wrote: post #190

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In my dream world we would normalize things like eating on a zoom call. People gotta eat, it’s no big deal. Maybe if they’re audibly slurping soup that’s a problem in terms of noise, but that would also be a problem during a boardroom meeting. (I once got in a lot of trouble for having a bowl of cereal while I was a silent participant in a call with a client at a fintech company, so I understand that attitudes like y…

It's one thing, on a team meeting, to somewhat embarrasingly say "I'm going to go off-video because I haven't had breakfast yet" and it's quite another thing to be eating when on a call with a client.

Yes, in retrospect I obviously should have waited as a matter of norms (that I didn’t know). I’m saying that I would like for that norm to be relaxed.

Re: Canonical’s recruitment process is long and complex

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Post by unpopular42 »

Eisenstein wrote: post #330
unpopular42 wrote: post #321

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You don't know that. "White" can mean either, but it didn't matter because both interpretations are equally bad. See for example https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_people Replace race with skin color in the GP comment, the point still stands

You are bringing up race specifically and you are making the value judgements and then attributing it to the author. Everything you have been doing has been to prove a (bad) point in bad faith in order to fuel some culture war issue.

Now you are just lying and calling names. I'll try one more time before I give up.

The original author wrote the word "white", not me. There are many ways to segment a population - that's demographics. Having "white" as the segmentation criteria and claiming that it affects whether the demographic is biased for an interview sounds very racist to me.

Your opinion that this argument is in bad faith or in order to fuel something is not supported by any facts and is therefore irrelevant.

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