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Re: Canonical’s recruitment process is long and complex

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I have a follow-up question: what kind of race is "western European"? Is skin tone not enough? I don't have a gene test on hand to confirm, but I'm pretty sure my heritage is all over the place.

She said demographics -- the person who you are responding to said 'race'.

You don't know that. "White" can mean either, but it didn't matter because both interpretations are equally bad. See for example https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_people

Replace race with skin color in the GP comment, the point still stands

Re: Canonical’s recruitment process is long and complex

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Having previously worked at a place where it took minimum 3 months to hire someone (but often 6-12), I'd be amazed if Canonical actually ever gets to hire their first choices. What happened was this: By the time the first pick hires had been cleared, they had gotten another job. Same with second pick. Maybe even third, too. Most people don't have the luxury or will to just sit and twiddle their thumbs for months and…

A lot can happen in three months. My wife interviewed years ago for a UK govt research agency. They took three months to respond but did eventually set up an on-site interview. She went along anyway. HR met her at the gate and took her to the office of the person who owned the opportunity. When they arrived and there was no-one at his desk it turned out that he had died two months earlier and that the HR drone hadn't…

> there was no-one at his desk

Sounds like a vacancy

Re: Canonical’s recruitment process is long and complex

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Having previously worked at a place where it took minimum 3 months to hire someone (but often 6-12), I'd be amazed if Canonical actually ever gets to hire their first choices. What happened was this: By the time the first pick hires had been cleared, they had gotten another job. Same with second pick. Maybe even third, too. Most people don't have the luxury or will to just sit and twiddle their thumbs for months and…

So why do these companies insist on these incredibly long hiring processes? Clearly it must not be working if candidates are moving on before they're hired.

Re: Canonical’s recruitment process is long and complex

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It’s time for me to leave Ubuntu behind for good. I can’t support anyone who is this much of an asshole.

I can't read this comments as anything other than virtue signalling. You can call Mark Shuttleworth an asshole and still use Ubuntu without being a hypocrite.

That’s interesting because as soon as I read the phrase ‘virtue signaling’, I ignore the person who wrote it. It’s deeply rude because you’re implying that I have no virtue. You don’t know me and so that’s intellectually dishonest.

Re: Canonical’s recruitment process is long and complex

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Working at a startup is not an aspiration for most. Long hours and low pay for a lotto ticket's chance at a windfall is attractive to a very niche crowd. The vast, vast majority of jobs have godawful applications and hiring process for entirely human, rather than technical, reasons (before anyone at a startup chimes in with 'our platform makes this better!')

> The vast, vast majority of jobs have godawful applications and hiring process I don't think this claim holds outside of technical jobs at big tech and big-tech-aspirers. I think you're trying to say that jobs with godawful applications/hiring processes acquire this disease for human reasons? If so, we agree. I'd sum it up as decadence. SMBs, inclusive of the "earlier" stage startups that are a big source of employm…

I've got a mate trying to apply to jobs in the construction sector and it's still a godawful HR mess. A cousin struggling with architecture firm jobs. Even emergency services roles are like this. This isn't a problem of the tech sector, I think it's a problem of risk aversion and ass-covering being more important than delivery.

If you're understaffed and can't meet goals it's because you're understaffed and it's the business's fault. If you have enough people and can't meet goals it's because you're messing up and it's your fault. If you hire someone and don't get 'enough output' from them then you made a bad call and it's your fault. It's damn near incentivized to slow-roll hiring and agonize over the choices instead of getting people in the door and working on your tasks.

Re: Canonical’s recruitment process is long and complex

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post #118

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I can't read this comments as anything other than virtue signalling. You can call Mark Shuttleworth an asshole and still use Ubuntu without being a hypocrite.

Ive been feeling like Ubuntu has been failing technically for years and this thread is really helping explain why.

Would you mind explaining why you say Ubuntu has been failing technically? I’ve found it underwhelming but I’m curious to read more negative opinions.

Re: Canonical’s recruitment process is long and complex

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Their focus on high-school looks like a thinly-veiled strategy for weeding out anyone who is old enough that they no longer remember the details of their high school education.

I don't know whether it's a deliberate strategy but this definitely happened to me during my interview with Canonical this year. From a diversity perspective, putting any focus on teenage years will probably select candidates from a privileged background, or people who have re-written their past into the award-winning narrative that's implied by the questions. But maybe I'm wrong, maybe someone could answer the quest…

In my experience it's university access that's very heavily shaped by privilege, not high school.

High school is a sort of universal misery - pretty much everyone who might be applying for a job with us, from almost any country, would have gone to high school. Rich or poor, you had to suffer through it. Yes, you're a different person now than you were then, but it's still interesting to hear how people handled work and social dynamics. There is plenty of good science which correlates young adult behaviours with lifelong outcomes. And as one part of an interview process, it's a useful reference point that is less susceptible to circumstance than things like "which university did you go to".

We now hire much from many more countries than we used to, and it feels good to me that we're giving opportunities to work on open source to a wider audience. Sure, you can be cynical about our intent. Invent elaborate motivations for our process. Perhaps the answer is as simple as this - we want to work with people who are conscientious and care about getting open source into more hands, in an easier to use form, at the lowest cost. Now, that's not the worlds most profitable software strategy, but it feels good to me to make that the focus of a days work. Terrible, right? Crazy, right?

Re: Canonical’s recruitment process is long and complex

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Having previously worked at a place where it took minimum 3 months to hire someone (but often 6-12), I'd be amazed if Canonical actually ever gets to hire their first choices. What happened was this: By the time the first pick hires had been cleared, they had gotten another job. Same with second pick. Maybe even third, too. Most people don't have the luxury or will to just sit and twiddle their thumbs for months and…

There's a point you may be missing - they're seeking fanatical Canonical fans that share in a common vision. Their lengthy process might mean they don't get your typical fast-flying FAANG engineer, but it does mean they get someone who's a die-hard Canonical fan.

By hiring their biggest fans they're guaranteed to produce a product that their biggest fans will love. Everyone maybe not so much but their biggest fans will love it.

Re: Canonical’s recruitment process is long and complex

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Who's a die-hard canonical fan?

Who's a die-hard Mozilla fan? People who love Ubuntu, tend to love Ubuntu. A very long hiring process pretty much ensures the only ones still waiting around are the ones who really want to work at Canonical.

i installed ubuntu or kubuntu on most of my new machines since it came out, but for my newest install i picked debian instead, especially since the softening of the debian social contract eliminated most of the install hassles

because i usually use xpdf for pdf files and ubuntu dropped it https://askubuntu.com/questions/1245518/how-to-install-xpdf-...

i was skeptical about ubuntu's business prospects when mark pitched me on it at the ceo conference in 02004 (he was attending, i wasn't) but i've always thought the distribution was pretty decent, and the company's behavior has also been excellent. a couple of my friends have worked there and had no complaints. i would have no hesitation about working there unless i had a better offer on the table

but i'm definitely not a die-hard ubuntu fan

Re: Canonical’s recruitment process is long and complex

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She said demographics -- the person who you are responding to said 'race'.

You don't know that. "White" can mean either, but it didn't matter because both interpretations are equally bad. See for example https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_people Replace race with skin color in the GP comment, the point still stands

You are bringing up race specifically and you are making the value judgements and then attributing it to the author. Everything you have been doing has been to prove a (bad) point in bad faith in order to fuel some culture war issue.
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