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Re: Canonical’s recruitment process is long and complex

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Here is the funny part: If you somehow land a job at these companies, you will notice that recent hires (your new colleague) are not particularly good at their work but they are experts in gaming the system.

Yeah, they're hiring process is biased towards people that love talking about themselves over and over again.

If that was true I'd be CEO at this point. I can ramble for hours about my cat, my hobbies, and my side projects.

(I don't think it's true)

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Apparently it's the big three of management consulting.

I suppose it should not surprise me as much as it does that there are people out there who are in the union set of people who have interviewed at FAANG (i.e. all of them or enough not to refer to them individually) and also interviewed at MBB (ditto). No Jane Street, though? No PEGS? No GSIBs?

Borrowing a quote from a recent movie, I have a very particular set of skills :)

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On paper Canonical is a company I'd rather enjoy working for. I love the product (despite its flaws) and have a lot of relevant experience. I wouldn't even object to the long interview process as such. Written materials? Sure! I'd love to see the bar raised on developers' writing skills! Why not. But man, that High School question? The implicit agism and the shere fuck-you irrelevance of my circumstances 35 years ago…

I just went through this process. Got autorejected after the personality/IQ test thing. My essay was 13 pages. As for notable things I've done, I worked on an experiment in undergrad, which won the PI (small group) the Nobel in physics in the late 90s, writing computer software for experiment control. That and getting a PhD in physics from a student of a student of a different Nobel laureate. I founded and ran my own…

You bootstrapped a company without external investment?

You're the one I want to get advice from on hackernews...

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If you were that busy you wouldn't even care interviewing anyone, you're supposed to delegate responsibility to the HR team. What would be the point to get involved in a one-time interaction with someone that is (I assume) in another plane to his day to day management of the company? I kind see this like: "Our king has the very last word on the matter, so good luck with him" which is nonsense.

If I remember correctly, the candidate was interested in a product management role for our cloud offerings, which is something that I care a great deal about. Hi, Rui ;) And yes, I'm on calls through lunch and dinner, so I sometimes get to have lunch or dinner with candidates.

Hi Mark! Yep. I didn’t think our chat was weird, mind. Just anecdotal, in the sense of something that stuck with me.

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The best tidbit of insight to hiring processes I've heard is that once your initial application/resume has cleared the first hurdle the company is basically looking for reasons to not hire you.

Generally getting qualified candidates is the hard part. Once you can program basic things like fizzbuzz the only question is are you so bad we don't want to work with you even though you can do the job.

I think that's true for more junior engineering roles, but I don't think that's as true for hiring senior engineers.

Why would you pay a senior engineer salary for someone who is just barely competent enough to bang out CRUD apps, when you could spend a little more time searching and find someone who's a force multiplier and can lead projects?

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Who's a die-hard canonical fan?

Who's a die-hard Mozilla fan? People who love Ubuntu, tend to love Ubuntu. A very long hiring process pretty much ensures the only ones still waiting around are the ones who really want to work at Canonical.

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Having previously worked at a place where it took minimum 3 months to hire someone (but often 6-12), I'd be amazed if Canonical actually ever gets to hire their first choices. What happened was this: By the time the first pick hires had been cleared, they had gotten another job. Same with second pick. Maybe even third, too. Most people don't have the luxury or will to just sit and twiddle their thumbs for months and…

There's a point you may be missing - they're seeking fanatical Canonical fans that share in a common vision. Their lengthy process might mean they don't get your typical fast-flying FAANG engineer, but it does mean they get someone who's a die-hard Canonical fan.

Too bad that common vision isn't a Desktop that isn't absolutely garbage.

Maybe they should spend more time hiring people that actually make competitive applications against Microsoft than die-hard nutjobs who think waiting a year to work for an open-source company is a good idea.

Microsoft might not have 70% of the desktop market if they'd done that.

Apple managed to claw back 15% of the desktop market to 20% with their BSD-clone OS, and it still has garbage software compared to what's available on Windows, but at least it's a start...

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I suppose it should not surprise me as much as it does that there are people out there who are in the union set of people who have interviewed at FAANG (i.e. all of them or enough not to refer to them individually) and also interviewed at MBB (ditto). No Jane Street, though? No PEGS? No GSIBs?

People might prefer not to single out the company even if they only interviewed at one. Just a guess, though.

More than one in each set. But no, singling out isn’t a thing I do, unless there are memorable bits in the process—-and you always learn something by it.

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This would be a deal breaker for me. 0 respect.

In my dream world we would normalize things like eating on a zoom call. People gotta eat, it’s no big deal. Maybe if they’re audibly slurping soup that’s a problem in terms of noise, but that would also be a problem during a boardroom meeting. (I once got in a lot of trouble for having a bowl of cereal while I was a silent participant in a call with a client at a fintech company, so I understand that attitudes like y…

It's one thing, on a team meeting, to somewhat embarrasingly say "I'm going to go off-video because I haven't had breakfast yet" and it's quite another thing to be eating when on a call with a client.

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It’s time for me to leave Ubuntu behind for good. I can’t support anyone who is this much of an asshole.

I mean, if Mark wrote that in 2004, he was dunking on an administration that was widely believed to be the worst ever. (Obviously, we had NO idea what was coming.)

Exactly :) It was still a brat comment though. I'd forgotten about that. Thank goodness we grow out of some things.
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