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Re: Want employees to return to the office? Then give each one an office

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Did Solomon actually produce those tracks though? I always assumed it was a ghost producer.

He flies around doing live sets, so maybe?

As a former pro DJ and having seen Him live. He is actually a good DJ.

If anyone wants some house music to chill to: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC7s7In5PLSY_Z1aUMHb2wyw

Re: Want employees to return to the office? Then give each one an office

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He flies around doing live sets, so maybe?

You'd be surprised how often "live set" is a synonym for "USB stick." The scene is notorious for it. It's really not hard to find vids of DJs dancing, pointing, posing, and poking uselessly at a mixer which is obviously just there for the look.

There's also a huge difference between a "live set" and a "DJ set". I'm surprised people here on HN don't realize this.

A "live set" typically involves the performer playing synths and programming the drums live. There are no record players, no pre-recorded tracks, everything is played live on the fly. Example: https://youtu.be/cVFzblT5VPE?t=4177 (a daytime one so you can see the gear)

With a "DJ set", the DJ is playing two or more tracks, beatmatching them and mixing them together, transitioning from one track to the next. This still takes a lot of skill. If you see two or more turntables or media players and a mixer in the middle, that's a DJ set. Often the DJ brings their tracks to the venue loaded on a USB stick and plugs it into the media player. Just because there's a USB stick present doesn't mean the DJ set was pre-recorded. Example: https://youtu.be/Ubyd98XV5C0?t=1018

Re: Want employees to return to the office? Then give each one an office

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No, thanks. If you want happy productive desk workers, give them their own desks, their own shelves, and possibly even their own blackboards. Even ignoring increased happiness, this enables giving employees their own tools: keyboards, chairs, monitors, workstations, tea, oscilloscopes, papers, etc.

Again we're talking about a hybrid situation here where typically the employee is likely to be working from home more than they're in the office. I think what you're suggesting makes sense for 3+ days a week in office situations though but 2 days or less and it starts to get tenuous. And for me I wouldn't want to go in any more than 2 days a week so they can keep the permanent desk imo.

I would not want to go in any days without a permanent desk.

Re: Want employees to return to the office? Then give each one an office

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The RTO policy have a purpose: keeping up a dumb but profitable for some economy of services. Not really different than the old soviet adage, today dig a hole, tomorrow fill it so you have a job...

Offices means bars/restaurants/ready-made food delivery/cleaning services/rents and so on in cities. Means the base needed to head to a 2030 where "you'll own nothing" because anything is a service of someone else.

This is clear, what's not clear is the fact that such model is untenable. In an era of abundance we can keep money flowing with bullshit jobs, in an era of scarcity we can't.

Long-story short:

- most people will resist with any means because WFH means much to them

- most service economy will collapse anyway

- the disaster made in the meantime will push much more poor in cities, creating a bigger disaster thereafter.

Some I've no doubt think they can also profit from it...

Re: Want employees to return to the office? Then give each one an office

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People who like WFH will never want to return to the office unless perhaps the office is a 5 minute walk from home (they may be forced to, but they won't want to). For many people the time and cost savings of avoiding a daily commute cannot be offset by a nicer office. Those who are happy to return to the office in general are those who do not like WFH and prefer more contacts and a change of scenery. A nicer office…

I can't go back. I have family to care for who need me at home and will suffer if I'm away. And that's even before I reclaim all the time during the day when there was no work I could be doing.

I'm more productive, I find new ways to make myself valuable in some of that free time whereas in the office I'd just be bored out of my skull instead because I had to keep my butt in a seat to make someone happy.

Fortunately my management is looking into downsizing leases and recouping savings instead of forcing people into the office. They've waffled a little about pulling people back in but they just aren't that serious about it in general.

Re: Want employees to return to the office? Then give each one an office

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People who like WFH will never want to return to the office unless perhaps the office is a 5 minute walk from home (they may be forced to, but they won't want to). For many people the time and cost savings of avoiding a daily commute cannot be offset by a nicer office. Those who are happy to return to the office in general are those who do not like WFH and prefer more contacts and a change of scenery. A nicer office…

> unless perhaps the office is a 5 minute walk from home WFH for 2012-2023 here. With our first home purchase in 2018 being on the smaller size, and the introduction of our first child to the family in 2021, I started keeping an eye on nearby options. In March of 2023, a perfect little spot opened up that could support me and another employee in the same town. Pitched it to our small company, and now I have a dedicat…

> Cannot stress enough how impactful those few minutes are (or more, if I need to decompress more than normal) are for separation of concern between home life and work, especially with young children in the picture.

been remote since 2015. absolutely agree with this, even though I'm still remote. the only way I'd go back to the office is if it's close to that experience -- a 5-10 min walk away.

living close to a coffee shops, gyms, and other amenities meant that I did a "morning commute" to get coffee most mornings -- more expensive than petrol, but still cheaper overall compared to driving. multiple choices, so could hit the local as well as chain shops.

a gym and grocery store being nearby also meant that I could so an "evening commute" and workout, snag groceries, run errands, etc.

having young kids makes it great too... most of the time. it's nice to be able to walk upstairs and play with the wee one.

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Not everything is a class dynamic. “Analyst at GS hanging out in the Hamptons” doesn’t scream working class. The CEO and analyst are both upper class, just different levels of power and seniority. That CEO is just a power-tripping asshole.

Have you heard of phrases like "old money" and "new money"? Or "upper middle" and "lower upper"? The reason they're used more is because there is a very clear distinction between groups even at high levels of wealth due to the need to socially signal. This is what causes CEOs to flip out that an analyst is trying to casually talk to them at a non-work event as if they are equals. This is class dynamics in action, it'…

People like to find ways to feel superior to others regardless of how much money they have. Money is just one of the easiest and most transversal ways.

But feeling like you have better opinions or thought deeper about subjects than others or that you know "how it really is", or that you're a better driver or whatever are other common ways. Whatever you feel like you are good at, or have a lot of, you will be tempted to feel superior about.

Fighting these thoughts is virtuous in my opinion. Pretending that only X type of people do it (rich or whatever) is not virtuous in my opinion.

Re: Want employees to return to the office? Then give each one an office

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Always found it funny that software engineers think they have so much power just because of relatively high compensation. (And ease of finding new jobs- guess not so much, this year.) But pre-pandemic, how much labor power did SWEs have in determining whether or not they could work in a private office or even a cubicle as opposed on the open floor? And soon, how much power do you have to determine whether you can WFH…

It totally depends on the market a candidate or company is operating in. A strong candidate has a lot more leverage than a weak one. A company that underpays in the local market has better luck hiring if they open their pool to remote. A company wanting a specific skill set might not find anyone willing to work for them without flexibility.

Re: Want employees to return to the office? Then give each one an office

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It certainly varies. I've had a casual relationship with senior execs (subject of course to understanding that they get to make the decisions at the end of the day). However, I've heard the stories about some senior execs that are of the mindset of "Don't make eye contact with me unless you've been spoken to." I didn't quite believe it at first because it's never been my experience but it's a thing. I haven't taken a…

> it's never been my experience but it's a thing Yes it is a thing. It starts when you get promoted to a more senior role. The thing is, nothing much changed inside or outside, so many people feel they need to make a point. They start to dress differently, behave differently, introduce distance - to make sure others understand who is in the "superior" position. I noticed thin in insecure types or those who need some…

There are executive-class perks in most medium-to-large companies, but at least in tech, they're kept on the down low so you have to kind of look for them to find them. Personal assistants are probably the most visible. Private meeting rooms / bathrooms / entrances for the executives, chauffeurs, cooks, masseuses, access to corporate jets, hard-to-get tickets to sporting / arts events, separate housing allowances and company-paid villas, personal security, lots of financial perks like wealth management tools, free tax services, deferred comp and supplemental retirement savings. But these things don't tend to get flashed in front of the worker-bees.

Re: Want employees to return to the office? Then give each one an office

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I don't disagree but I've been dealing with it for years now (since COVID) and nobody has seemed to be able to fix it.

Sure. Management stupidity and employee incompetence certainly wasn't a thing before COVID! I really like this new comic from Scott Adams called Dilbert [1] that gets a good laugh from how incompetent things have gotten since COVID! /s [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dilbert

I'm not sure why you think what you said is relevant. Also, you seem insufferable.

Edit: oh, it's probably the autism.

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