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Re: Want employees to return to the office? Then give each one an office

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My home isn't huge, just a raised ranch. But I was able to build a soundproofed office in a corner of my basement and it's worked like a charm.

How were you able to soundproof it? I have an office (upstairs) that I would love to soundproof so that I don't have to wear my headphones all day.

There's a lot of structure-specific details. Happy to DM if you want, I enjoy the topic.

Re: Want employees to return to the office? Then give each one an office

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People need to stop trying to make things return to the original office model. Employees have realised we are equally as effective working from home and simply do not want to waste 2+ UNPAID hours of every day travelling to a corporate building for the sake of it. Nor do people want to spend £10+ a day on food and drinks which they have in their fridge, at home. Then there is also the social pressure of having to go…

> Employees have realised we are equally as effective working from home and simply do not want to waste 2+ UNPAID hours of every day travelling to a corporate building for the sake of it. Not only is it unpaid, it actually costs the employee money. In the worst case you need a car + the insurance, fuel and maintenance costs associated. In the best case you still need to pay for public transportation. > Nor do people…

That's all fair, though there is one clear advantage that commuting has (via certain modes of transport) and that is exercise.

I say this as someone that loves working from home, but before I did so I would get thousands of steps in every day running towards the tube in London and around all the platforms. Dunno, maybe the positive health benefits of the steps are outweighed by how polluted the air in London (and likely even more so the tube) is.

But getting less steps in every day due to WFH is a real problem.

Re: Want employees to return to the office? Then give each one an office

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My vaguely populist take is that the pandemic, WFH/remote and hybrid gave the mass white collar class a taste of what the C-suite has had for years.. flexibility. Sure, these guys might go into the office but they do so from their pied-a-terre / 3rd home / whatever within a 5 minute chauffeured drive. They do this while maintaining a nearby suburban/exurban estate and maybe a lake/beach/ski houses where they spend th…

If I had a small-medium company I would hand out money for renting coworking spaces. If enough people do this, coworking spaces will pop up more and more and compete to get the best deals. People who wants to WFH can pocket the difference and those who crave for socialization will have a place for such. A large company can probably do that with smaller offices or with setting up the coworking spaces themselves and re…

I don’t think people working from random coworking spaces solves the problems the execs imagine working from one office does

Re: Want employees to return to the office? Then give each one an office

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This example is a stark reminder that the complaints are most often not about details but about class . The CEO was upset others were allowed to perform as if they were of the same class. It’s always class when one boils it down, imho.

So many of the comments are acting as though the underling employee actually is of a different class. I'd bet anything this young person is used to having his family name make him welcome at any table he wishes to join, even in the Hamptons. He's on the well-worn path through a brief stint as a junior analyst before he's running some bank or hedge fund somewhere and the CEO of GS hesitates to approach his table. This…

Class is not salary or wealth it is position in the hierarchy of the means of production.

Re: Want employees to return to the office? Then give each one an office

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My favorite story on this thread is that during the hybrid period, GS CEO threw a fit when out in the Hamptons because some analyst (fairly junior role almost at the bottom) had the balls to go introduce themselves during a workday lunch at a restaurant. He couldn't articulate a specific, valid complaint like "I was out at a client lunch and they were goofing off" or "I was on a vacation day while they were supposed…

This example is a stark reminder that the complaints are most often not about details but about class . The CEO was upset others were allowed to perform as if they were of the same class. It’s always class when one boils it down, imho.

This is so often overlooked and it's true. I've done well enough in my career that I've learned to be very cautious about how much I let others know about my standard of living. I've had experiences in the past where someone who either is or feels like they should be doing better than I am based on what little they know about me becomes indignant and acts like the natural order of things has been upended.

Re: Want employees to return to the office? Then give each one an office

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Why are you pretending like flexibility is something you cannot give freely ? That's like saying all junior-level employees MUST carry a book on top of their heads all the time, and only C-Level executives get to skip that. If you give someone flexibility, you are not taking anything away from other people, so not giving it is only an unnecessary punishment for junior level employees.

You're assuming that someone working from the Hamptons is as productive as working from a desk in the office or his own home. I highly doubt this is true and especially so for young junior employees. After you've been there a while, learned more and are more effective at your job, you're more likely to get the benefit of the doubt but even that has limits. Why are we pretending like this is all weird? New or junior e…

> You're assuming that someone working from the Hamptons is as productive as working from a desk in the office or his own home. I highly doubt this is true and especially so for young junior employees.

We're assuming you even read the article.

It clearly says "how the underling walked up at a restaurant, introduced himself and pointed to associates with him"

i.e. it was more than 1 person. Maybe they are doing face-to-face training? Are you saying that's ineffective?

> New or junior employees need a lot of handholding to ramp up

That's exactly what's happening. Why are you assuming it's not?

Re: Want employees to return to the office? Then give each one an office

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Class is in no way related to salary.

I didn't mention salary. I mentioned other indicators; being an analyst for GS (probably went to an Ivy League school) who hangs out in the same restaurant as the CEO in the Hamptons

I think you're thinking too much about the restaurant. A CEO can go have a $1000 meal at the same place the analyst has a $200 meal. The CEO could even have the $200 meal. Even multi-millionaires might not want a seven course prix fix for lunch.

If the analyst lives in NYC and makes $250k they aren't living large. If they went to an Ivy League school and have to pay for it they really aren't living large. Regardless, the story makes the CEO look silly.

Re: Want employees to return to the office? Then give each one an office

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This example is a stark reminder that the complaints are most often not about details but about class . The CEO was upset others were allowed to perform as if they were of the same class. It’s always class when one boils it down, imho.

> The CEO was upset others were allowed to perform as if they were of the same class. I doubt it. Companies that try to hire pedigree know that they are hiring from the same class. The disdain is shock from a junior not working 20 hour days and sleeping under the desk.

> I doubt it. Companies that try to hire pedigree know that they are hiring from the same class.

Have you ever heard the term "1% of the 1%"?

Re: Want employees to return to the office? Then give each one an office

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Class is in no way related to salary.

> Class is in no way related to salary. It is in part. A person on a US$20 million a year salary obviously isn’t working class or even middle class-they might truthfully say they are of “working/middle class background” (if their parents were of more modest means) Whereas, their 10 year old kid whose annual income and assets are roughly $0 is also upper class-because their parents are. Now, if they grow up and their…

The 10 year old is not a worker (hopefully) and this is what this kind of class refers to. The relationship to the means of production.

They may never work a day because they don’t need to - they are upper or “bourg.” for sure.

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Not everything is a class dynamic. “Analyst at GS hanging out in the Hamptons” doesn’t scream working class. The CEO and analyst are both upper class, just different levels of power and seniority. That CEO is just a power-tripping asshole.

A 150k-250k analyst isn’t upper class. Nor is it really middle-class (although that would depend on the cost of living). It’s that weird in-between, where one still needs to earn a living and make even more money for someone else. A 25M / year CEO is far past "earning a living" and really only works because they want to.

upper middle class is the common term.

or to use an older one: petit bourgeoisie

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