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Intel's GPU Drivers Now Collect Telemetry, Including 'How You Use Your Computer'

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Re: Intel's GPU Drivers Now Collect Telemetry, Including 'How You Use Your Computer'

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Post by barbariangrunge »

bogwog wrote: post #69
distant_hat wrote: post #62

Earlier quoted context omitted.

These are really niche issues and most people aren't even aware, let alone care about this. The only real solution to this is some kind of legislation that makes it difficult to carry on with business as usual. I wonder how this data collection squares with GDPR?

> These are really niche issues and most people aren't even aware, let alone care about this. Everyone seems to be aware of the protests in Hollywood, and I don't think it's too much of a stretch to tie that to privacy issues. Those AI models taking artists' jobs were trained with data scraped from the internet. Even if you aren't an artist, there's a risk that the data these companies collect on you will be used to…

There’s no union of people vs surveillance tech to act on our behalf

Re: Intel's GPU Drivers Now Collect Telemetry, Including 'How You Use Your Computer'

#82

Post by jwells89 »

xnx wrote: post #13

A terrifying side-effect of AI is that everything is now potential "training data" and there's financial incentive to vacuum up any and all possible data. The situation on Windows is much worse than Chrome extensions (which have been attempting this for awhile) because of the near non-existent permission limits on Windows. I was shocked to learn just yesterday that Nvidia drivers were doing this. It feels extremely g…

Desktop software has been a consistent and egregious offender when it comes to overstepping bounds for a long, long time… especially big corporate desktop software (hi Adobe).

It’s honestly kind of shocking that all desktop OSes didn’t gain something like mobile permissions over a decade ago. macOS has some as do a few configurations of Linux, and yeah Windows is happy to hand over not only your farm but also a few acres from that of your neighbors’ farm to anybody who even suggests slight interest.

I know there’s been much consternation over permissions, sandboxing, etc and how they complicate software development and power user workflows, but I don’t see a path forward where they aren’t necessary.

Re: Intel's GPU Drivers Now Collect Telemetry, Including 'How You Use Your Computer'

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Post by Eisenstein »

daneel_w wrote: post #47

While Nvidia's driver installer doesn't ask permission, does anyone happen to know if there's a way after installation to disable their telemetry collection?

https://www.techpowerup.com/download/techpowerup-nvcleanstal...

Re: Intel's GPU Drivers Now Collect Telemetry, Including 'How You Use Your Computer'

#84

Post by tivert »

thefurdrake wrote: post #75
bogwog wrote: post #35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This might actually be a good thing. For the longest time, very few people cared about privacy issues, which is why we live in a privacy hellscape today. If AI fears can motivate people to start taking privacy issues seriously, then we might actually see some strong privacy legislation, or more privacy-focused businesses to meet new demand. (or maybe I'm just being overly optimistic)

I'm still holding out from the days when basically everyone on the internet understood you shouldn't post intimate details about your life online (the age before social ~~cancer~~ media). I long for a return to common sense. Maybe AI will do the trick, but I doubt it. Plenty of people are happy with behavioral prediction if it means convenience without caring about the implications.

> I long for a return to common sense. Maybe AI will do the trick, but I doubt it. Plenty of people are happy with behavioral prediction if it means convenience without caring about the implications.

The general population isn't going to care about "privacy" in the abstract, that kind of thinking reserved for an activist fringe. IMHO, the only way any progress will every be made on such abstract things is activists influencing government to force the changes.

The general population will respond to realistic fear and danger, though (e.g. witness all the rituals people do to avoid identity theft). Maybe the best way forward is to cultivate fear in people of losing their livelihood to AI, and present these privacy invasions as an attack on that front.

Re: Intel's GPU Drivers Now Collect Telemetry, Including 'How You Use Your Computer'

#85

Post by rjsw »

Dalewyn wrote: post #33
amelius wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

To be fair, websites can also contain games and other stuff that might use a GPU.

Hardware accelerated video decoding for Youtube, Twitch, etc. for a very mundane example.

Plus which video formats and resolutions are being used.

Re: Intel's GPU Drivers Now Collect Telemetry, Including 'How You Use Your Computer'

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Post by yeck »

nine_k wrote: post #44

The problem is that the driver is closed-source. Even if the driver sent data in a format which is easily inspectable by user, and with only benign-looking data, it would be really hard to prove that something nefarious and underhanded is not being sent instead under that guise.

If you see where the packets are going you might be able to block at the DNS level.

Re: Intel's GPU Drivers Now Collect Telemetry, Including 'How You Use Your Computer'

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Post by landemva »

distant_hat wrote: post #62
bogwog wrote: post #35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This might actually be a good thing. For the longest time, very few people cared about privacy issues, which is why we live in a privacy hellscape today. If AI fears can motivate people to start taking privacy issues seriously, then we might actually see some strong privacy legislation, or more privacy-focused businesses to meet new demand. (or maybe I'm just being overly optimistic)

These are really niche issues and most people aren't even aware, let alone care about this. The only real solution to this is some kind of legislation that makes it difficult to carry on with business as usual. I wonder how this data collection squares with GDPR?

> The only real solution to this is some kind of legislation that makes it difficult to carry on with business as usual.

I have watched the voluntary full body scans at TSA checkpoints for years and have concluded people do not care to opt out of any data collection. The people don't care, or how many people do you see opting out of full body scans at TSA? People gleefully pose for TSA's new and voluntary facial recognition.

People go along with coercion even by government, so why do you think we can rely on government to solve privacy issues?

Re: Intel's GPU Drivers Now Collect Telemetry, Including 'How You Use Your Computer'

#88

Post by fsflover »

jwells89 wrote: post #82
xnx wrote: post #13

A terrifying side-effect of AI is that everything is now potential "training data" and there's financial incentive to vacuum up any and all possible data. The situation on Windows is much worse than Chrome extensions (which have been attempting this for awhile) because of the near non-existent permission limits on Windows. I was shocked to learn just yesterday that Nvidia drivers were doing this. It feels extremely g…

Desktop software has been a consistent and egregious offender when it comes to overstepping bounds for a long, long time… especially big corporate desktop software (hi Adobe). It’s honestly kind of shocking that all desktop OSes didn’t gain something like mobile permissions over a decade ago. macOS has some as do a few configurations of Linux, and yeah Windows is happy to hand over not only your farm but also a few a…

> It’s honestly kind of shocking that all desktop OSes didn’t gain something like mobile permissions over a decade ago.

Consider Qubes OS if you need to isolate the apps on desktop. I'm a happy daily driving user.

Re: Intel's GPU Drivers Now Collect Telemetry, Including 'How You Use Your Computer'

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Post by xnx »

tivert wrote: post #84
thefurdrake wrote: post #75

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm still holding out from the days when basically everyone on the internet understood you shouldn't post intimate details about your life online (the age before social ~~cancer~~ media). I long for a return to common sense. Maybe AI will do the trick, but I doubt it. Plenty of people are happy with behavioral prediction if it means convenience without caring about the implications.

> I long for a return to common sense. Maybe AI will do the trick, but I doubt it. Plenty of people are happy with behavioral prediction if it means convenience without caring about the implications. The general population isn't going to care about "privacy" in the abstract, that kind of thinking reserved for an activist fringe. IMHO, the only way any progress will every be made on such abstract things is activists i…

> The general population isn't going to care about "privacy" in the abstract,

Totally agree. It's better to frame it in terms of "Nvidia tracks every porn site you visit and what you do there" or "company x knows everything you buy online and sells it to anyone who can pay".

Re: Intel's GPU Drivers Now Collect Telemetry, Including 'How You Use Your Computer'

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Post by JohnFen »

Dalewyn wrote: post #32
pptr wrote: post #14

I don't understand the need to include "the types of websites you visit" in GPU driver telemetry. AMD's telemetry doesn't seem to include that: https://www.amd.com/en/legal/privacy/user-experience-program... I couldn't figure out what telemetry is collected by Nvidia.

>I don't understand the need to include "the types of websites you visit" in GPU driver telemetry. Do you visit Youtube and Twitch other streaming services often? Focus on video decoding. Do you visit sites that heavily utilize graphics[1]? Focus on 3D acceleration. There are reasons this data can be useful, especially since Intel wants to unfuck their otherwise imperially fucked drivers. Websites aren't just plain t…

Surely they don't need to monitor the websites you visit to get this information. They can see what the GPU is being asked to do, after all, which would tell them everything they need to know.
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