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Re: Want employees to return to the office? Then give each one an office

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I think its fair to say that RTO is not about data, or studies, or about anything really. Leaders across all industries have decided people are coming back. Perhaps there is a secret cabal of commercial office space lenders who are putting pressure as share holders, or some other conspiracy theory. But it's happening - no one can do anything about it (except vote with your feet), and no one is going to get better acc…

>Perhaps there is a secret cabal of commercial office space lenders

In a sense, I think this is much of it.

Commercial real estate used to be a fairly predictable investment. Costs were mostly predictable, rents would increase over time, etc.

Now, we have all these vacant buildings and it's highly disruptive to the investors and owners of those buildings. You have companies in the middle of 5, 10, 15 year leases, and they're paying on those spaces with no hope of getting out of the contract. So the companies have a large incentive to justify that spend, which is really only going to happen by utilizing the space, which means in-office work.

I think if there was a viable way for these lessors to get out of those obligations we would see more of an embrace of WFH or hybrid work.

There is also part of the issue where for some people and tasks, an in-office scenario is higher net productivity to the company (but not necessarily the employees).

Additionally, you also have companies where a large contingent of the workforce can't WFH (eg: manufacturing, assembly, etc.). It creates animosity among the workers when the higher paid people also have the luxury of not needing to come to a physical location.

Overall, I think the deck is stacked against WFH becoming a long-term trend for a majority of the workforce. I think it will become a more common perk, something that is earned and not granted.

Re: Want employees to return to the office? Then give each one an office

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I wonder how much of this comes from 'war rooms' that companies like the Big 3 do. They work on a project for 5 months all smashed together in 1 meeting room.

And then you need to talk to one of them, they pick up the phone in that room, not even walking out. Absolutely horrible.

Is that where this comes from?

Re: Want employees to return to the office? Then give each one an office

#53

At home, the benefits are extreme. Full office, private bath, private bed, private kitchen, garaged parking, asset security, and a 30 second commute. The next wave of office workers will want it better than this, or it simply won't work.

I think a lot of people on here have not been through a real recession. Not saying that everybody will go back to working in an office, but thinking one can simply demand anything only works when employment is high. During a recession, it is either social assistance or one takes the job that is available.

That's true but it's also true that during a recession companies may be more focussed on saving money, and smaller offices because employees WFH save money.

IMHO, for jobs that can be done either in an office or remotely the crux is the company's management team: Some people want to be in office to keep an eye on staff and maintain status, some don't care as long as the work is done.

Re: Want employees to return to the office? Then give each one an office

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Honestly, I'd even take a cube farm. I've only ever worked at tech companies with fully open offices, or, at best, some cubicle walls up around groups of 10-15 desks.

I have repented of my bitching about cube farms since discovering there are worse things.

Re: Want employees to return to the office? Then give each one an office

#56

At home, the benefits are extreme. Full office, private bath, private bed, private kitchen, garaged parking, asset security, and a 30 second commute. The next wave of office workers will want it better than this, or it simply won't work.

The idea that employers need to give you everything you want is strange. They give you the least they can possibly get away with. Sure - some small subset of employers competing for the best employees will do this. But the average employer? I'm skeptical.

At one point in time people probably said the same thing about employer provided health insurance, and now it’s expected. Tough to get good talent if other companies are providing better perks

Re: Want employees to return to the office? Then give each one an office

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At home, the benefits are extreme. Full office, private bath, private bed, private kitchen, garaged parking, asset security, and a 30 second commute. The next wave of office workers will want it better than this, or it simply won't work.

Won’t work? How will these non-workers pay for things? They’ll have no choice but to work.

How will the company stay in business without workers?

They'll have no choice...

Re: Want employees to return to the office? Then give each one an office

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I think its fair to say that RTO is not about data, or studies, or about anything really. Leaders across all industries have decided people are coming back. Perhaps there is a secret cabal of commercial office space lenders who are putting pressure as share holders, or some other conspiracy theory. But it's happening - no one can do anything about it (except vote with your feet), and no one is going to get better acc…

Meanwhile, my startup is profitable, hiring, and permanently 100% remote across 7 countries. Hiring is easy.

Yes, but you shouldn't extrapolate from that. In many cases "startups" are much much easier to manage remotely. You often have a much smaller, and more focused, employee base. There is much less room for unproductive employees to hide in the shadows.

Re: Want employees to return to the office? Then give each one an office

#60

Give me a laundry and dish service to replace how I am able to start appliances during a break.

Interesting.. laundry/grocery service would be trivial for a lot of employers, and a huge benefit for employees. Why hasn't anyone offered it yet?
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